asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264334 << tr0l0l0l, gold medal. can take off the walrus mask now - which one of you rascals was this. ☝︎

asciilifeform: Because It Can.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264312 << if you let the attach be mime/txt, line endings will be mutilated, aha. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264281 << neato. kakobrekla, do you have it on your list ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: because it ~is~ equivalent to recalculating !

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264271 << checking TAKES AS LONG AS RECALCULATING ☝︎

asciilifeform: that's what i wanna know

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264205 << win. where do i buy a ticket to the public impalement of the 'best practices' folks ? ☝︎

asciilifeform maxed dosimeter, off to meatspace for rest of the day

asciilifeform: komyoooonitiiiii111111!

asciilifeform: iirc he has some good illustrated diagrams.

asciilifeform: direct inquiries as to ~where~ to stow'em, to mircea_popescu et al.

asciilifeform: take them 'upgrades' and stow'em.

asciilifeform: andychase: see also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html

asciilifeform: andychase: this pointedly does not include adding any subcomponent where gavin, hearn, & co had any say in making.

asciilifeform: andychase: therealbitcoin.org -- ~20kloc and shrinking.

asciilifeform: and their idiot client.

asciilifeform: andychase: we piss on the 'core devs' here.

asciilifeform: upgrade ahahahahahaha lol

asciilifeform: could almost certainly come up with a cleaner one if you just took the algo and wrote own

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not really. just that you are wasting brain cycles on puzzling out the peculiarities of my proggy

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform is experimenting with avoiding activities with low snr.

asciilifeform: signal/noise ratio

asciilifeform: snr too low for me.

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: short on time.

asciilifeform: 'morning ag3nt_zer0

asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: can you give me a good reason to read this ?

asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes you would probably gain from rewriting 'v' from scratch, rather than using mine

asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski take me to the parallel lsd universe where i'm rich !

asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "TAIG 2027ER with original vise, and with controller of any make." at 6 BTC

asciilifeform: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58850f1a13a4e710af8dc3a896a0d761067daf11abe9fddc336a23aa

asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform ☟︎

asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "TAIG 2027ER with original vise, and with controller of any make." at 6 BTC

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: don't throw it out with the bathwater

asciilifeform: by slave labour in namibia

asciilifeform: and i don't give a flying fuck if the thing has parts made of baby bones and panda fur

asciilifeform: and i can do without 'warranty' and 'returns'

asciilifeform: because i sure as fuck don't ~need~ 'support'

asciilifeform: it is often possible if i can avoid paying the 'newness tax'

asciilifeform: say i wanna buy an xxxxxtron but don't have $10k.

asciilifeform: this is also a continuation of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260662 ☝︎

asciilifeform: dream ahahaha lol

asciilifeform: this is kinda a continuation of the ancient 'ebay' thread.

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there / ☟︎

asciilifeform: is the otc order book thing entirely stone dead ?

asciilifeform: unrelatedly,

asciilifeform: (that is, all 'generations' of patch family tree should occupy a level, strictly)

asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and graphviz sucks.

asciilifeform: svg sucks.

asciilifeform: and graphviz doesn't give this.

asciilifeform: it needs to be *clickable*

asciilifeform: punkman: i decided not to post it, because the result sucks

asciilifeform: punkman: i did a rough version of just that, a few days ago

asciilifeform: (iirc the correct term for the thing remaining to be done is 'topological traversal')

asciilifeform: punkman: need a smarter toposort

asciilifeform: punkman: it would, yes

asciilifeform: perhaps ben_vulpes et al will finish the job.

asciilifeform: punkman: i decided, rather than let the thing sit sadly for another month while i get this necessary thing to work, to release instead

asciilifeform: punkman: correct. the thing has no concept of orphaned chains as of yet.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was hoping it would be obvious to anyone who actually tried to use the thing.

asciilifeform: right now it has no notion of patches that cannot coexist with one another.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: try producing a patch that forks off, e.g., rel1, and see what i mean.

asciilifeform: and their presence prevents anything else from working.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work ☟︎

asciilifeform: desc is a table of where a file (represented by its sha512) was born.

asciilifeform: banners is simply a table of what was signed by whom.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what were your objections to 'banners' and 'desc' ?

asciilifeform: ergo all invocations of my 'v' took the patchdir arg as first arg.

asciilifeform: let's say it weren't. then ' ./v.py w ' prints wot ? but this is broken. because what if 'w' is my patch dir, and i simply forgot to include the second arg.

asciilifeform: but the patch dir arg is necessary !

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is right about c_wot ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is only 'spaghetti' if there are localisms in the global state. as it was, all of it was relevant to the whole proggy.

asciilifeform: dafuq is your problem with global state

asciilifeform: what was the point of this mutilation.

asciilifeform: what gives.

asciilifeform: 'cause now if i wanna add a new command, there are THREE FUCKING PLACES to put it in instead of 2

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why on earth did you put in that horror with the nested if-thens ?

asciilifeform: i will read this.

asciilifeform: neato ben_vulpes

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262921 ☝︎

asciilifeform: and could go down literally any time.

asciilifeform: i will note, for anyone relying on zoolag to transmit time-sensitive things, that it is on a fucking home fiber

asciilifeform: everybody's out of time, aha

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: use the cross-compilator instructions from my pogotron recipe

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what's keeping ya ?

asciilifeform: i am still waiting to hear from anybody having set up another.

asciilifeform: this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i will also take this chance to point out that the node on dulap has been rendered useless by all of this - trails by 30-100 blocks AT ALL TIMES

asciilifeform: with internal battery. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the thing really needs to run on a colo box.

asciilifeform: thing is, flipping ONE FUCKING BIT in an already-baked product of moduli renders the whole shebang - and however long it took to produce - UNDETECTABLY worthless.

asciilifeform: (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now) ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << i've been thinking about this ever since the last thread, and so far i have not come up with any way to make the thing RELIABLY survive the treatment it is getting ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258188 ☝︎

asciilifeform: of a particular file in a pressing (or found elsewhere, aha)

asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes what were you trying to do ?! 'o' takes a ~tree file's hash~ as argument, and tells you ~which patch~ produced it. looks like you were giving it a patch's hash ??