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asciilifeform: can table, chair, 'work on it' also and become person ?
asciilifeform: 'friendly d00d' will immediately materialize to 'sell you btc for bag of benjies' and free room-an'-board-for-20y next
mircea_popescu: if you can't buy btc for cash you aren't a person. that is the minimum bar of personhood.
asciilifeform: yes but who wants to trade bitcoin for these
mircea_popescu: they spend 10x that on "tuition"
asciilifeform: upstack : i suspect that the situation re 'borrow mortgage and run away into btc' is entirely similar to old su 'run into dollars'. many (most?) would have nodded to 'sell motherland', 'but nobody's buying her!'
mircea_popescu: or w/e the shit's called, MyDocuments
mircea_popescu: they'll lose their worthless body here to accumulate great fortunes in the myfolder future!
mircea_popescu: might as well ask byzantine army that if they get tired might stop believing jesus is in the sky.
mircea_popescu: no. that's the point -- they could not.
asciilifeform: hey if they get tired, could always consider not runningmoarwinblowz
mircea_popescu: and the us congress will. and everyone else.
mircea_popescu: when there's other pretenders, the ~only work to do is take their shit.
asciilifeform: but it is a sad fate to rape an' pillage only to feed a platoon of performancereview.
mircea_popescu: no. the time to work, is when there's no sovereign in sight but tmsr
asciilifeform: same failure mode tho -- you go around pirateing, yarrrr, and storing treasure in btc, but in the end it turns out you were privateering for inca
mircea_popescu: this view is correct -- while usg stands, it is shameful for man to work. man must steal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bad plan to produce while there's inca around. revisit the ancients -- it is shameful for man to work plow like beast of burdewn wehn he could be soldier and plujnder.
asciilifeform: now say they instead had produced, and thinking it were theirs ('charging btc battery'). and then -- inca gets it.
mircea_popescu: well, folks deciding to need more and make less every day
asciilifeform: let's briefly revisit ye olde su, which afaik was largely nailed by folx ~not producing~, rather than spiriting $goodies away overseas
mircea_popescu: and you see one in one case and the other in the other case.
mircea_popescu: and the "at least" is same in both cases.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'better position' i admit is a poor phrasing. moar of 'give arsonist 10x the petrol'
mircea_popescu: you instead say "oh, at least they" line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when we were discussing how the loser should treat the usg, ie, borrow and steal, move it to btc, and run away, you pointed out that "if btc fails, then the evil empire of usg is that much better positioned", but did not say "at least the folks trying enjoyed the try"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll admit to a complete puzzlement re which 'it' i 'have there' 'and not here'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> then the needs baloon. << Healthcare!!!
mircea_popescu: how come you didn't have that there -- have it here ?
mircea_popescu: but hey -- at least they got some tequilla!
mircea_popescu: "at least" is the pregnant woman solace.
mircea_popescu: oh, "at least" huh ? i thought this at least didn't figure in your books in earlier discussion re correct move.
mircea_popescu: or do i need to dig up the threads about us "regulator" "fining" japanese co ? or the one where other japanewse co built shit and usg dun feel obliged to pay ? or ?
asciilifeform: which is how that opera may well would have ended.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is what it got anyway innit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform allies did that.
mircea_popescu: problem is -- people don't know how to commit. (naked, bitch! so what if people can see your perecious cuntlet ?). and when.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'stalingrad' hypothesis was not re 'germany wins' but rather 'prolongs the agony' -- could have easily finished wrecking the not-yet-wrecked half of europe, say.
mircea_popescu: 1mn german trainers whipping russian mujicks into the ground would have produced 10x more for the reich than 5mn soldiers did.
mircea_popescu: stalin would have been fucking thrilled to sell hitler that same oil he never got. and for almost nothing : just instruction manuals on how to kill his slaves to build industrial empire.
mircea_popescu: which is why break of pact was a stupid move. trade the expensive for the cheap.
mircea_popescu: never take the old woman side, she's a born loser.
asciilifeform: serious problem in the original germany : scarce and cruddy fuel , from fischer-tropsch ( which they only even had to begin with because of those 60.. )
mircea_popescu: hitler fell for the eternal patnsuit scam, invaded russia to sell to some white old women in europe the notion that "bolshevik threat". bad trade
mircea_popescu: the question is the 60 or so mn germans thinking themselves americans
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then you agree stalingrad was irrelevant militarily
mircea_popescu: only spartan women can, and they're hard to lay.
mircea_popescu: germany's problem was sparta's problem -- all the raw materials in the world can't make another spartan.
asciilifeform: hard to picture them not coming back to a victorious germany
mircea_popescu: instead they were gonna man docks in pittsburgh
mircea_popescu: all the aryans making up 55% of the us 120mn weren't gonna come back to berlin and man stalingrad wells.
mircea_popescu: petrowells schmetrowells. germany had lost all its human resources throughtout a century and a half of inept management to the us.
mircea_popescu: because i did the maths.
asciilifeform: this'd be rather like germany taking stalingrad and the petrowells
asciilifeform: aha, and the show, refueled, gets to go on another century
asciilifeform: rather than 'whole thing evaporates overnight'
mircea_popescu: so if that happens you're where you were anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 17:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626921 << yes. there's absolutely no argument that bitcoin dying on the enemy's terms would be an unmitigated catastrophe. chernobyl pales in comparison, it'd be on the level of "wheel is useless anyway" wisdom of dropped-on-head amerindians, or "oh pretty, spinning wheels" greek steam engine. utterly catastrophic. which is why eg http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/#selection
mircea_popescu: even unemployed mouthbreather can get 10-20k. in a decade that'll be enough.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik this is only dampered today by the lack of folx willing to part with btc
mircea_popescu: which is why that's the idea : take all the credit card debt you canm, buy btc, mexico.
asciilifeform: in ye olde su this was accomplished somewhat differently -- by physically cutting apart the, e.g., laboratory where you worked, and selling to faceless bagmen who carried it abroad
asciilifeform: ( i.e. if 'lafond's mother' could cash in, even at a loss, the house into non-usgolade )
asciilifeform: if ~anyone actually wanted usd enough to pay bitcoin for it en masse, even nickel-on-the-dollar's worth, usg would evaporate in a week.
mircea_popescu: and all that's lefty in place is a stable of needy people with no utility.
mircea_popescu: then the needs baloon.
mircea_popescu: this is the perpetual bait and switch : "fuck you, be useful" creates a lot of people with repressed needs. it APPEARS that "to everyone according to his needs" will then turn a profit. get themn to vote you, pay their tiny needs, make bank.
mircea_popescu: it's how the 4m ceilings one died.
asciilifeform: it's the sure siphon by which it can be drained dry.
asciilifeform: re the confiscation : welfaristans fear sham-indigence like elephant fears mice
mircea_popescu: it's called sequelae for this reason
mircea_popescu: hey, wehn was the sequel an improvement
asciilifeform: i prefer the original one, where, e.g., asciilifeform's folx had 4 metre ceilings and paid 0 rent and 0 mortgage
mircea_popescu: welcome to the undeclared soviet republic.
mircea_popescu: last generation to own anything is dying now.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. " ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
phf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068 << "In Ubuntu 17.04 or newer, there is a script at /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news that reads https://motd.ubuntu.com/ and displays that text with the rest of the MOTD. Currently, https://motd.ubuntu.com shows a news item about HBO's Silicon Valley which has a reference to Ubuntu."
mircea_popescu: "drunken tweet" as a single item :p
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a whole thing, "oh, PRESERVE HIS DRUNKEN TWEETS" << Herr Tritler doesn't drink
mircea_popescu: the bad meme pushes the good thought out of the skull.
phf: the meme is stronger than the thought
asciilifeform: ( but i dun work in this circus, so nfi )
phf: i saw a lot of covfefe signs all over seattle, next to "#blm" etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd likely end with a gorbachev-like 'mr. president is not feeling well today, or this week, needs his rest' while pantsuits take the wheel.
asciilifeform: which ended with ~his~ appointees there being sacked
asciilifeform: iirc he was last seen trying to hammer the cameras in 'security council'
mircea_popescu: and also, this fucking car goes where i say it goes, not where you say it goes. and if you don't like it you're getting shot.
mircea_popescu: still, you know. buy a hammer tear down the toilet cameras, anyone who tries to fix is fired.
mircea_popescu: now that is very true.
mircea_popescu: and this was at a time people were actively trying to shoot me.
mircea_popescu: i didn't let my security ppl follow me around all the time.
asciilifeform: iirc he tried 'not let', it didn't quite work
mircea_popescu: only becausde he lets them.
asciilifeform: d00d prolly at this point has ss cameras filming him taking a shit, from 4 angles.
asciilifeform: ah, example was re how it is unclear to me that professional actors like 'potus' ~meaningfully have~ privatelives
asciilifeform: because trump is zhirinovsky
mircea_popescu: so why blame the confused slave playing the fishwife then
mircea_popescu: same place it came this time : my fucking head
asciilifeform: d00d is then 'on the clock' 24/7/365, or goes the theory.
asciilifeform: hey if you lose the harem, and instead replace with fishwife, then from where is the 'harem vs forum' to come from.