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mircea_popescu: "even". you're way ahead of teh curv.e
asciilifeform: but somehow skeptical that 1btc.
mircea_popescu: future holds room for maye 10-20mn humans. ~1btc is the table stakes of living on earth
asciilifeform: enough to what ? pay for christian burial ?
mircea_popescu: very much more than enough for average derp.
asciilifeform: buys one of those ridable tractor things.
asciilifeform: a TWO-DOOR toyota.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 22:04 mircea_popescu: now, evidently they have time-locks and other safeguards on the whole bullshit. but as a factual matter average redditard will have wasted no less than 20k in cash by the time he's "established" in "the community".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676497 << definitely working with old almanacs nao. today 20k dun even buy a toyota. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Well, the shithole rarely starts smelling better on its own
BingoBoingo: i.e dollars that don't go straight to college bezzel office
mircea_popescu: i'm working on old almanacs here, as i don't tend to seriously talk to 19yos.
mircea_popescu: this with no prejudice to your figure re "what can actually be had in hand"
mircea_popescu: now, evidently they have time-locks and other safeguards on the whole bullshit. but as a factual matter average redditard will have wasted no less than 20k in cash by the time he's "established" in "the community". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo chick i aspirated on the tail end of this owes like 1/4mn to usg according to usg, and wasted about 60k on pot and stupid shit. "living expenses" ie "i was by myself and they were giving me money. what."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it tightened that badly already, all usoviet is good for is ~decent restaurant meal ? << That's based off of the free student loan money conduit. Eat 20 kilodollars in debt, get less than 10 % in paperable for "living expenses"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i thjink you will be recalled as a sort of st peter-thomas in the eventual church.
mircea_popescu: as a protection against change, it is a great life. except of course, as a justification of inertia, it is a terrible life. pick and choose, if it's why not move then it's because life is good, if it's why don't you have your boatirigible it's because life's bad.
mircea_popescu: the life of the mind, and its advantages.
mircea_popescu wouldn't have intuited alf thinks he lives well, prior to this moment.
mircea_popescu: then i suppose there's no problem to solve.
mircea_popescu: it's not the same game except in the estimation of those who'd play it.
asciilifeform: could play same game without leaving home: connect rng to pistol, if fails to produce shitoshi privkey - bang
mircea_popescu: in the end the circling will always come to the same square : do you wish to live long, or do you wish to live well. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but then again -- it was "plan for wealth" not "plan for survival". there's no such thing as a wealthy farmed pig. definitionally -- wealth of farm belongs with farmer.
mircea_popescu: it is generally the argument of the pig in farm that the forest has wolves, and no clearly market slop through.
asciilifeform: i'll take my wagner ty
asciilifeform: or is it 'female' to ask
asciilifeform: and after traded the nail for food in liquishitistan, then what
mircea_popescu: if all you can get is a nail, get the nail.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the amounts are not relevant. the plan is "get all you can and get out".
mircea_popescu: and yet "everyone" acts as if they have nfi what mp is saying re usd being ~worthless ?
mircea_popescu: eh wtf. they distinguish atm from pos ?
asciilifeform: or rather, till pid
asciilifeform: most you can get ~in benjies~ (i.e. atm) is typically 1k
mircea_popescu: which is why all the africa/south america/etc supermarkets etc.
mircea_popescu: for the record, i will state that the average chinese dood will be supported by the chinese govt with 1-300k usd to open shop abroad.
mircea_popescu: it tightened that badly already, all usoviet is good for is ~decent restaurant meal ?
mircea_popescu: provided they spend a mon-fri interval applying for all the possible credit cards they can find, and then spending saturday hitting all atms ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> any ustard can get 10-20k cash nqa. << Nah, they might... if they are lucky may touch ~1.5-3 kilodollars cash
mircea_popescu: 122k comments. that's... kind of a lot.
asciilifeform: ( just as in the old smoking gun, where it came out that nsa delayed the introduction of POPCOUNT instr )
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even be surprised if the explanation for this turns out, in the end, to be an usgological one
asciilifeform: it is mind-boggling, ~all major cpu have had 2word-outputting MUL instr for, what, 30 years. and NO compiler actually gives you, by default, the top half of it !!
asciilifeform: now we'd have a turd of #ifdef and asmolade
mircea_popescu: tsk ya that
asciilifeform: that it'll blow away the 'this is exactly same on all bitnesses' algebra
mircea_popescu: inline you mean ? so what's the problem with that ?
asciilifeform froths in fury every time he things about this
asciilifeform: which is PRODUCED ANYWAY EVERY TIME YOU MUL srsly
asciilifeform: ( yes that's what you end up doing JUST TO GET THE UPPER 64bits of result !! )
asciilifeform: but will observe that we can get something like a 8x speedup 'for phree' if use MUL instr. inlike instead of the http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RSu5T/?raw=true horror show.
mircea_popescu: was next step but sina moved to gossipding ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i seem to recall 10minute hash times )
asciilifeform: which also takes eons
asciilifeform: is whole point of the ffa thing
mircea_popescu: at least this has a valid reason to symkey.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense (not yet ready to shave the combined rsa-symkey model) not ready to fly.
asciilifeform: because there, not only gen problem, but each shot.
mircea_popescu: i lived 5 years on this key.
asciilifeform: but can live with month+ gen time ?
asciilifeform: let's say yer willing to live with mains ( or petrol, lol ) power.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem. i got power.
asciilifeform: but i'll observe that this plane still weights a little much to get off ground
mircea_popescu: some things, could be had but aren't ; other things can't be had so we don't have them. what can you do.
mircea_popescu: and i don't have a slave that eats jam and shits whole prunes. NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE is the controlling bit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no matter how you cut it, however, i dun have a battery that will power a keygeneratory-capable comp for a month. and neither does anybody else.
mircea_popescu: "no time!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they can't afford to not fork-on-secrets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is also the problem of shitty profiling, times may not be accurate as measured.
mircea_popescu: yet once more poverty is the edge distinguishing man from nigger.
mircea_popescu: what DID you think "fork on secret bits" does.,
mircea_popescu: basically the other side of the "constant time" coin is that... YOU GET CONSTANTTIME, BITCH.
asciilifeform: and when test is 0x2fffffff.....ff * 0x4ffffffff....fff (8192 b.) so as no 0s to 'cheat' with, then they : 0.7s
asciilifeform: soooooo i measured time of 10,000 8192b mults,
mircea_popescu intends to make this into a noob focus.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ << Trilema - The Universal Plan for Wealth
asciilifeform: mno, it translates to a 1 / x
mircea_popescu: should give an indication of time, i guess
asciilifeform: that's an op that has ~0 relation to anything we do
mircea_popescu: 8192 bits, will have to be all touched.
asciilifeform: 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ** 0x80 was picked because the answer actually occupies 8192 bits.
asciilifeform: i suppose i'm stuck actually measuring time of N (large N) mult ops, rather than exp
mircea_popescu: oh this is exp not mult ?
asciilifeform: recall, we're FFA, and they're non-F
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought it's within rounding error.
asciilifeform: will end up a 100MB turd
asciilifeform: it doesn't do same thing tho
asciilifeform: i dunno how to read that
asciilifeform: ( and yes, it cheats, not the least of it being that it STOPS after 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, rather than doing the other 8192-N bits )
asciilifeform: ( for comparison, python (internally gmp) takes 0.016s )
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 16:44 asciilifeform: ( 8192bit exponentiation: ~10min with egyptological mul; 20.5s was with first-grade mul; 17.7 with karatsuba posted today )
asciilifeform: in other noose ! nao we have comba's algo multiplier as basecase in karatsuba (currently threshold 8 words) , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673165 becomes now 7.5sec ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: pretty srue they've been stealing cars for >decade byu now.
asciilifeform: ( soon to be : not merely the cash in your pocket, but whatever is in your car/house/bank )
asciilifeform: as is documented to death
asciilifeform: trip over policeman in usaschwitz --> lose the cash
mircea_popescu: teh slave habits are strong in the herd.
mircea_popescu: these "Dangers" are very much hallucinated. chick i bought car from (for cash!) was totally petrified of you know, having money.
asciilifeform: where do they start ?