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tiberiusiv: mpex loses close to 40% of market cap in under 2 hours
tiberiusiv: dude $1k moves LTC like 30%
tiberiusiv: you only need 1-2% of bitcoins being sold at a given time to crash the price
tiberiusiv: no other asset class loses 20-30% in the span of 2hrs
mircea_popescu: well, it's not practical to run 100% security, as is always the case
mircea_popescu: cads shamir is an idiot and his paper is about 80% nonsense.
Bowjob: http://www.google.se/trends/explore#q=sell%20bitcoin,%20sell%20bitcoins
Namworld: Still, 3%
mircea_popescu: anyway, mpex charges .2% seller only. if you make .5 round trip then .3 difference will yiueld 30 btc over 10k traded.
mircea_popescu: what was rthe story there, 30% sold for 5k btc ?
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mircea_popescu: Mar 22 19:44:50 <benkay> 99% of the time you're serious
tiberiusiv: cavritex up close to 30%
mircea_popescu: mod6 he's talking about the 15% miner that used to make empty blocks
error4733: sade to see how just a 5K dump can cut 10%
mircea_popescu: whoa nelly, so bitmillions thing is 10% house edge ?!
tiberiusiv: mircea: thats why basic failed and covered only 5% of their BTC shorts
benkay: 99% of the time you're serious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's a photo: http://greenapteka.com/zen_cart/images/Barsuchiy%20shir_capsules.jpg
deadweasel: find a new job, SINGULAR, for %50 more than you are making
mircea_popescu: mod6 ya srsly, they have a point. if you have three jobs make each offers for 50% what you're making now, upfront
Anduck: if it goes down by 50% someone will buy it
tiberiusiv: if bitcoin collapses by more then 50%
tiberiusiv: GDP grew at over 4% annually
tiberiusiv: prices were 50% lower in 1900 then in 1800
tiberiusiv: bitcoinis ripe for a 50% collapse to the weekly moving average
tiberiusiv: $2-3mil moves bitcoin 30%
tiberiusiv: theyve doubled from their ipo and thats with bitcoin rising like 600%
Bowjob: i watched the video, they will offer 12% per year on their bitcoin short fund
tiberiusiv: in about 30% of the states
mircea_popescu: this somehow comes out like it's 0.35% more here than there.
tiberiusiv: add even average US sales tax of 6%
tiberiusiv: http://www.mercedes-benz.ro/content/romania/mpc/mpc_romania_website/rong/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/_w212/configurator/configurator.html?tp_ccci=/dsc_ro/globalsessionid/DSC_ro3E2D3232336E3B7BFF333A6301020900/dsc_locale/ro_RO/appId/DSC_ro/siteLocale/ro_RO/P3501ViewBean.jam1%3bjsessionid=0000iBB1YEY0PeDNC29nXrqoZkJ:16pcreqrr#_int_passengercars:home:model-navi:configurator
mircea_popescu: (than europe. prolly 50% less than the us)
mircea_popescu: a car actually costs ~30% less.
tiberiusiv: yes but a car costs 50% more
tiberiusiv: so i pay a 23% premium to watch a poor guy paint a park bench
tiberiusiv: why would i move to a place that charges me 23% to buy products?
tiberiusiv: dividend income is still withheld from 99% of countries by up to 30%
tiberiusiv: mod6: renouncing your citizenship to sit in the bahmas only makes sense if 100% of your income comes from capital gains
tiberiusiv: they have duties of like 500%
mircea_popescu: on one hand you're telling me about these elusive cali estates (0.001% of us)
tiberiusiv: you can safely drive around a ferrari in 70% of the US
tiberiusiv: theres a 23% consumption tax alone
mircea_popescu: 80% of the us is a dump too, what criteria is this
tiberiusiv: dude 80% of romania is a dump
mircea_popescu: dub im paying something like 3.9% if you count it all.
tiberiusiv: US was like 5% on ultra high net worths
tiberiusiv: like 10% on income
Namworld: With discounts for very large volumes, it works down to as low as 0.5% but you have to trade 2500+ within the last 120 days
mircea_popescu: well it's only 3% if you do 100 btc
Namworld: coinbase 1% I think...
Namworld: 3%, vs MtGox 0.6%
dub: oh and I'm fine with paying >50% tax and geting free healthcare for it
dub: so yeah; left, green, black and according to some silly chart linked here the other day, in the 1%
dub: I guess .5 or 1% would be ok
ThickAsThieves: so you can get shares at like 20%+ off
ThickAsThieves: gox usd trade will be 0% next month right?
smickles: hmm, well that 62% is still around 10x their nearest competitor
tiberiusiv: by 2014 i would be surprised if gox did over 50% of fiat trade
tiberiusiv: gox does 68% total of EUR/USD
tiberiusiv: gox USD volumes are down to 62%
smickles: tiberiusiv: gox still does > 80% of the public btc/fiat trade
tiberiusiv: as i said earlier, less then 0.1% of the bitcoin users qualify for BTC loans as first you need a BTC derived income
smickles: tiberiusiv: looks more like 465%
tiberiusiv: if you cannot obtain fiat credit in a 0% interest rate world you have to be an utter deadbeat
tiberiusiv: smickles: the real rate of interest on BTC this week is like 300%
smickles: 3% weekly vs 30% annually
smickles: tiberiusiv: in many parts of the us, if you charge over x% annual (ie 10%) the debtor only has to pay back at the x% rate
tiberiusiv: his real interest rate is around 300% a week
tiberiusiv: how can someone offer 3% a week on btc without having the income to pay
tiberiusiv: right now there is maybe 0.1% of bitcoiners who have the capability to repay
error4733: true picture 100% ? can do the same box in one week
tiberiusiv: bitcoin in comparison about 0.9%
tiberiusiv: aapl trades 2% of market cap per day
smickles: >95% of those turned out as outright scams
rikur: well with their volumes and 3% exchange fee, they should be able to cover the costs without it :)
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=proper%20smickles
mod6: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take -- Wayne Gretzky
ThickAsThieves: i think i get about 30% less sleep now that i bitcoin
unbalanced: 100BTC per 120d is the threshold to escape 3%
mircea_popescu: ColdHardMetal Greater than 2500 0.50%. I dunno how defensible that 3% is given that 100 per monht...
mircea_popescu: growing rapidly. VirtEx is experiencing explosive growth shown by: Revenue increasing 146% in the last 2 months (Jan/Feb 2013)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 37 * 6%
ColdHardMetal: cavirtex makes 3% on both sides of a trade. It's kind of gross.
mircea_popescu: raising 5k btc for 10% so a 50k btc float predicated on 37k monthly trade of which they charge what, 1% ? 0.5% ?
pgp2: 32%
Bowjob: 75% of the voters think BFL should get a scammy tag
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: my luck is probably going to run out, but average winning is 2.39% over 351 tries
Diablo-D3: but imagine if Tesla had access to a 99+% efficient motor
Diablo-D3: they get like 99+% efficiency and think its overunity
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smickles: < Luke-Jr> Namworld: ironically, the FinCEN thing suggests GLBSE was 100% legal in the US
Luke-Jr: Namworld: ironically, the FinCEN thing suggests GLBSE was 100% legal in the US
tiberiusiv: basic refunds were like 80% haircuts
mircea_popescu: but basically people get a 95% haircut if they refund, so...
tiberiusiv: quebec has 20% youth unemployment rate thanks to the min wage
tiberiusiv: quebec cost of living is 30-40% lower then ontario since half the population is poor
tiberiusiv: that would eat up 50% of your min wage salary