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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform with
those calves she's
tipping you over.
mircea_popescu: a) you know you're going
to have a schism and b) you know nobody's going
to manage
to evaluate
the claims, present or future, for any kind of coherent
truth value.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680947 << actually
this is interesting, and i mean from a metaperspective. consider, randomly defined cult,
they come up with some crankwagen, whatever it may be, say
the mpfhf or
the correct way rto diet or
to cure cancer or w/e. at which point ranking member promises
to come out with proof it's shit, and
the result is ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: i suspect gypsydom is a lot like brazildom.
they dumped all
the slaves in
there,
the results are rather varied, but strong contingent of fair brasileiras, even if lots and lots of mulattos.
mircea_popescu: also,
there's not so much darker gypsy association. one of mah first youthful loves was
this blonde horseriding gypsy girl from
the danube delta. hot as hell, and about as dark as hillary clinton.
mircea_popescu: sure,
the majority of ukrs are brunettes. romanians
too. but
the milky kind.
phf: right
then,
that's what i
thought
mircea_popescu: phf romanian girls look almost exactly like ukrainian girls. so is it normal for
them
to look
turkish ? mnope.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 13:41 shinohai: Lynched
to orgasm sounds like a great porn
title
though.
phf: lotta "romanian" girls now, i.e. darker, gypsy looking ones. is
that normal for romanian girls, or
that sort of
type is purely gypsies?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 08:36 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i
took girl + car out on a survey of local brothels
tonite.
phf: i haven't had
time
to do any of
this
phf: well,
there's no solution, just same
thing you said :)
phf: asciilifeform: literally five lines lower in
the logs
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 15:48 phf: which made me
think
that hashes are
typically implemented in
terms of machine words, so you don't have
this kind of issues. fhf might be inherently "unoptimizable" since units
that it operates on must be bignums
phf: well, one
thing
that ascii said "don't operate at a byte level", might also be
the reason why lisp version is slower. bit vectors are stores as octet arrays, so
tweaking single bit pulls a whole octet, does bit
twiddling on it, and
then puts it back. presumably can be sped up if one were
to figure out how
to work over an octet at a
time
phf: presumably as asciilifeform keeps implying you could rewrite mp's fhf in some closed form
that does account for
these issues, but..
mircea_popescu: somehow peeps got
the idea it's "unfair", like little kids playing a game,
to use computers in certain ways
that expose
them for being mere machines, rather
than your girlfriend. such as making
them do
things like fhf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm very much convinced
that
the various "oh, it's
the same
thing really" bad choices hash designers and implementers make, very much
typified by
the above "machine word so as
to '''elegantly''' avoid
these problems" very much plays into nsa needs. it's again
that same old convenience
that makes
the usg usg.
phf: which made me
think
that hashes are
typically implemented in
terms of machine words, so you don't have
this kind of issues. fhf might be inherently "unoptimizable" since units
that it operates on must be bignums
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what "bitcoin nodes" currently do is a very shitty attempt at just
this. and
they are as autonomous as you are conical, also because
they fail
to correctly implement
this.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 04:11
trinque: concretely, I would like
to connect
to your lisp instance from mine and be able
to interrogate it for classes of objects it contains, for particular instances (i.e.
there is a global notion of identity, global addressing, see
threads on GNS), get instances which match some predicate...
phf: in vaguely related annoyances screw/half-screw i*POS is
the likeliest candidate for overflows, and it does where your fixnum is 32 bit. go version sidesteps
that issue by being 64-bit
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680544 << nope, in fact my "optimized" one i.e.
the version where cmucl doesn't complain about unknown
types with (speed 3) (safety 0), is about
twice as slow as Go version. i'm curious why
that would be
the case, but haven't had a chance
to investigate.
☝︎ shinohai: Lynched
to orgasm sounds like a great porn
title
though.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol lynched
to death. what other kinds are
there, lynched
to orgasm ? << Well
there's
the incomplete version which is just a beating
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 03:18 mircea_popescu: can
take
the ram from
the crapple and put it in
the pc or camera or w/e
mircea_popescu: lol lynched
to death. what other kinds are
there, lynched
to orgasm ?
mircea_popescu: trinque amusingly, candi does sort-of
this, as a prototype of it.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i
took girl + car out on a survey of local brothels
tonite.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: " Huel @gethuel Jun 19 A new concept in food - 100% vegan with protein, fatty acids, fiber and 27 essential vitamins and minerals." << Poor naming. "Huel" is mostly known
to USians as
the name of
the fat pickpocket on some "prestige"
tv show.
trinque: "concurrency" in
the sense
that you handle scads of independent requests for
the same item, also complete nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 00:17 sina: yes and it's understood, I'm not
trying
to make "gossipd for alfs dystopian future" just have some fun for me
trinque: why huck just
to me either, can
turn on
the luby hose and let multiple folks drink
together, when
they have
the same question
trinque: "connect"
too, is not quite right, as it would be a superior model for me
to huck a request
to you, which ~maybe~ you get, and which ~maybe~ you drop on
the floor at wire speed, and maybe you huck me something back, if you want.
trinque: concretely, I would like
to connect
to your lisp instance from mine and be able
to interrogate it for classes of objects it contains, for particular instances (i.e.
there is a global notion of identity, global addressing, see
threads on GNS), get instances which match some predicate...
☟︎ trinque: there, gopher wins against
http in
that it enforces a strict
tree
mircea_popescu: can
take
the ram from
the crapple and put it in
the pc or camera or w/e
☟︎ mircea_popescu: at least it's conceptually a
thing, as opposed
to "here's some data, and here's some half-tagging, and here's some half-code with it"
mircea_popescu: (a punk, it bears reminding, is a young man who
takes it up
the ass on
the quiet.)
mircea_popescu: come a long way, have we, from
those early bumbling days of early bumbling intellects.
mircea_popescu: and yes, very much pre-tmsr
times
the lords were stuck with
this "well we gotta cypherpunk, ie, pretend nothing can ever happens -- because if anything were
to happen it's straight
to vessenes' scam foundation"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah yeah, it wasn't
the width, it was
that
they didn't actually have standardized memory in any sense, or any concept of actula machine word
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 22:31 mircea_popescu: one doesn't follow from
the other.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:53
trinque: so we agree
that
this
thing called "database" is really distinct
tools which some idiot welded
together
mircea_popescu: i dun have a general suggestion, perhaps just sit down with
the whole
thing and make an actual data diagram
thing ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 20:17
trinque: anyhow, curious what
the lisp graybeards have
to say about CLOS over
the wire
sina: mircea_popescu: suggestions on avoiding ad-hoc datatypes? one idea I was
thinking was for example rather
than ../messages/<msg_hash> file with contents "sender,delivered_by,message", have a directory ../messages/<msg_hash>/sender|delivered_by|message files?
trinque: anyhow, curious what
the lisp graybeards have
to say about CLOS over
the wire
☟︎ trinque: I'd say folks yes, use sqlite because
they did not reason
the program out completely before beginning
to write code, but
they often use postgresql as a messaging platform, RPC, or what have you
trinque: what it lacks (at least as part of
the CLOS standard, afaik) is a standard for how one CLOS program shares objects and methods with another, whether on same box or across
the network.
☟︎ trinque: and mentioning lisp, CLOS is by my lights,
the best
taxonomy building
tool
that exists.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:26 asciilifeform: re lisp state -- not sure
this is doable on unix -- how do you dump and restore
textual representation of posix
threads ? fd's ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 07:21 sina: I dunno much about lisp, but I
think lisp handles
this better in
the sense you write state into
the "lisp machine" and can flush
that entire state out
to disk and read it
therefrom as well?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "i don't know, baby... we'll have
to ask your father..." << lol. cuckdad may want in
too!
mircea_popescu: ftr, it dun fix it, colon
takes
the day off after you fuck it.
mod6: <+shinohai> Constipated? We can fix
that! << lol
mircea_popescu: "i don't know, baby... we'll have
to ask your father..."
BingoBoingo: Really gotta give
the urban youth directions on finding and identifying Jewish neighborhoods
mircea_popescu: "the strong
take from
the weak, and
the smart
take from
the strong.
the weak'd better have great cocksucking skills
to close
teh cycle."
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 15:17 mircea_popescu: and
this model ENTIRELY explains all of
the "luminaries". werner koch worked
the feeder-chumper cycle. stallman worked
the feeder-chumper cycle. curtis yarvin worked
the etcetera.