asciilifeform: rinse, repeat (literally)

asciilifeform: (find what the active substance dissolves in which the fillers do not.)

asciilifeform: hence you recrystallize

asciilifeform: mats: this experiment does not require a first class education in it.

asciilifeform: mats: recrystallize a few pills and find the melting point (it isn't hard.) you might be in for a surprise.

asciilifeform: last i checked, every spamarmacy is actually shipping indian adrafinil, which rots the liver.

asciilifeform: as in, wtf is actually in that spam pill.

asciilifeform: yes

asciilifeform: mats: did you personally analyze it ?

asciilifeform: cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick

asciilifeform: ^^

asciilifeform: so it's garbage.

asciilifeform: afaik with clim it's athena or nothing.

asciilifeform: the 'default ghastly gui of x11'

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the ancient mit project from which those gui elements (e.g. the scroll bar) came

asciilifeform: can't stand it

asciilifeform: the other thing is that i always fucking hated athena

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how laggy is it ?

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: spiffy

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: if you must... grap the eval version from their www, see for yourself.

asciilifeform: but iirc it does have apropos.

asciilifeform: but afaik nobody uses it, most folks run emacs+slime even there.

asciilifeform: lispworks

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: afaik there is precisely 1 commercial common lisp ide

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: ah!

asciilifeform: 'the secret strange hole in his dubious pew' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu's www)

asciilifeform: pew?! what next, we quote völkischer beobachter ?

asciilifeform: that's sorta what i was trying to explain to shinohai.

asciilifeform: but it is guaranteed to add up to a civilized box.

asciilifeform: 'there are many bad mirrors, this one is mine'

asciilifeform: and a (pci!) 'hercules.'

asciilifeform: pretty sure i even had a 'tseng' at some point.

asciilifeform: however, this doesn't leave many

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: at least such that was 'emerge'-d

asciilifeform: it is not everything. merely everything asciilifeform's cockpit has.

asciilifeform: it's a gigantic dir full of tar.gz

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what would this mean ?

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i will be publishing my personal stash.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: no. see thread.

asciilifeform: defective!

asciilifeform: but they don't crick..

asciilifeform: on the wall.

asciilifeform: the white cables: 220v.

asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/oTRtC00 << left: the biggest spiders i've ever seen outside of a collection

asciilifeform: (center, by the support column)

asciilifeform: the underside of my sorry hovel. turns out, the water hookup is THROUGH A RUBBER HOSE

asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today. ☟︎

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: the latter.

asciilifeform: whatever this is called.

asciilifeform didn't know mircea_popescu went in for... this

asciilifeform: wat

asciilifeform: crunchy frog (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: wawat

asciilifeform: (namely, in other distros you are not trying to ~build~ the world, and are not thus exposed to the fact that most of it is not deterministically buildable any more without generous helpings of blood magic)

asciilifeform: gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit

asciilifeform: and much of the disease is not specific to this one linux variant but to the entire ecosystem

asciilifeform: but there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR IT

asciilifeform: i cannot escape the observation that i am keeping alive a very sad and sickly thing

asciilifeform puts this on list of what to do with the replacement for dulap, when such appears

asciilifeform: i suppose one possible place would be my own disk...

asciilifeform: time machine ?

asciilifeform: and get the tarballs where ?

asciilifeform: nor even 50.

asciilifeform: and not one is 100% healthy.

asciilifeform: just missing essentials, selectively.

asciilifeform: complicated. most aren't 100% dead

asciilifeform: 99% of a typical build time on my box is just churning through dead mirrors.

asciilifeform notices that 90+% of traditional gentoo mirrors in his records are dead

asciilifeform: l0lwat

asciilifeform: yes, it is possible... but borders on redefinition

asciilifeform: idk how mircea_popescu does it. typing on a kbd with no springs is like fucking a surface with no hole

asciilifeform: perhaps where they have tentacles.

asciilifeform: a good deal of modern hardware looks as if it were designed for inhabitants of some other planet

asciilifeform: aha or where to put hands.

asciilifeform: looked mighty flat

asciilifeform: did it even... have keys?

asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?! ☟︎

asciilifeform: ('general purpose' to be understood as a box on which one might, e.g., write code.)

asciilifeform: so this sheds no light on the building of general-purpose box.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: (every firefox until a few wks ago, known.)

asciilifeform: ahahahahaha then it's the one that lets arbitrary www load arbitrary files from your disk.

asciilifeform: (thing leaks perhaps a gb/hr)

asciilifeform: so i can't fathom what kind of masochist would run it on an old pen

asciilifeform: as for firefox, it is barely usable (much less buildable) on my desktop iron

asciilifeform: i was actually not speaking of laptops, but explaining to shinohai that 'make a usable system from scratch with no modern code' is a spittoon

asciilifeform: BUILD

asciilifeform: but does it ~build~ them

asciilifeform: it is relatively simple if you are mircea_popescu and the only thing that needs to run is lynx and gpg 1.4

asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, anything to do with 'i want a WORKING OS with WORKING PROGRAMS' is the entire spittoon.

asciilifeform: shinohai: understand how it applies ?

asciilifeform: shinohai: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rG1TxJt2

asciilifeform: shinohai: do you know the story of the spittoon ?

asciilifeform: shinohai: i don't do x86 os.

asciilifeform: because apparently there IS NO SUCH THING as unbloated unix to be had ANYWHERE today

asciilifeform: ended up with barely usable openbsd. 500mSec or so delay on fopen() !!! because no ram left over (from the 64M) for disk caching