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mircea_popescu: anyway --
the way
to collect is
that you don't have
to pay for a S coming up. just like
the car using less gasoline -- you do collect.
mircea_popescu: this is ALSO good : breask
the ip-box bijectivity, as was intention all along
transparently
throughout spec docs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the correct approach
to
that problem is for all boxes which can not obtain leased ips but only dynamic ips
to own
two internet connections.\
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem, but a good
thing : provides monetary incentive
to maintain node connections
mircea_popescu: should any Nq become isolated, it will require a S
to be reintroduced.
mircea_popescu: you have nodes N1...Nn all behind a nat. Server S popus up and connects
them in pairs such
that no Ni is without at least one peer. Server S dies.
The whole N1..Nn remains connected forever, notwithstanding how any NjNk connections may die.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie, D
then asks B, "what about A ?" and B provides ip and notification
to A.
mircea_popescu: ie, problem reduced
to bootstrapping, significantly lower class.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have nodes A, B behind a nat. suppose A and B run gossipd, and have been introduced
to C. A aiming
to connect
to B or vice-versa for any reason is accomplished
through : A asks C for an ip for B. C provides A with ip for B and B with notification of A's request (at
the least, its ip).
mircea_popescu: but whosoever does connect, puts in
tmsr, ie, gossipd + uci whatever.
mircea_popescu: making everything depend on gossipd present and running is
the right
thing anyway.
mircea_popescu: basically
the operating system of
the republic will be gossipd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's
the
thing : we don't actually have
the problem of nat
traversal. in
the following sense : gossipd is not intended
to work without introduction. as part of
the introduction,
the introducer server can provide ips.
those can
then be used for everything, bitcoind, you name it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai and see if @Fox0x01 wants
to come over also. apparently
there's chicks into "offensive sec" whatever
that is.
shinohai: Appears @samykamar has deleted account or fell afoul of
twitter lawz. My own account finally got limited.
mircea_popescu: "Apparently future-dated gps packets disable Stingray phone signal intercept devices.
The device
thinks its license has expired and locks up." in other lulz
mircea_popescu: shinohai mind
tweeting @samykamar ? apparently he's active. we wanna
talk about pwnat.
mircea_popescu: i suppose
this goes on
the list of
tasks. "find nat hole".
mircea_popescu: i suppose
this may be a "yes, meanwhile all", haven't looked.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 16:32 asciilifeform:
the real usgtronic gem here is
that
there's massive existing investment in 'this is a
transform of SOME dna sequence, SOMEWHERE, now
tell me which' hardware
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 08:40 jurov:
they
took djb's joke seriously
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 15:50 asciilifeform: which makes
the whole
thing quite vulnerable.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 15:49 asciilifeform:
the need
to use un-NATed boxes as proxies, so
that NATed boxes can speak with one another, creates star
topologies
trinque: right, so usg crumbles, erdrogan or whoever
throws a big neo-caliphate party, invites everyone
to go israel-stomping. russia and china collectivey "meh" and lol at
the US losing a colony
☟︎ trinque: buy from RU/CN; do either of
them like Israel?
trinque: y'know, if
they're used
to leaning on / suckling from USG, and it crumbles,
they might consider leaning on whichever is biggest.
turkey?
trinque: was
this
true in
the last such war?
☟︎ trinque: meanwhile, correct me if wrong,
they're all stacked with american military hardware
trinque: what'd happen with
the various sunni powers if suddenly usg vanished?
pete_dushenski: mojahed runs winbloze... on phone. or his boss does. or his gf does. or
the new recruit does. "coming
to a pocket near you" (tm)
pete_dushenski: this is post-nation-state world, cyber-d and a little bit of land is
the best you can hope for.
trinque: in contrast
to aircraft carrier Power Projection (TM)
pete_dushenski: recall
that .il can and did actually build 'wall', not just
talk about 'when i'm elected ima do such and such herpadurr'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ya, reaching for sure.
the point upstack was
that paying sticker for pharma helps arm .il
to
the gills more
than it helps usg maintain international kommonity relevance and
that
the former will outlast
the latter
pete_dushenski: just because you're eating
the liver, doesn't mean you won't find another source of food when it's gone or as soon as
the aging father finally croaks. but
this is a stretch analogy.
trinque: > ultra-specialized in
the 'divide and conquer'
thing << superpower of
the schizoid?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ?
tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with
the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
pete_dushenski: reich doesn't need challenging anymore, does it. looks like it's pretty well occupied with
the enemy within.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: no argument
that payola is funneled, but cui bono ?
pete_dushenski: then again
the alternative
to public yeshiva is 'lurker'
than somehow, someway never seems
to mature into full blown adulthood.