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asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp9NHNKTV-M << from d00d's links: circa 1993 film of mit ai lab 9th floor, walkaround. possibly interesting to phf et al.
mircea_popescu: in other news : all the chicks in cairo wore the cairo chick dress, and every chick here is wearing jeans. permanently. dressing up = different top, same jeans.
asciilifeform: d00d's twatter full of liberasty of various sorts
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any chance you check out this "people's comp museum" next seattle trip ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: or to rite.
asciilifeform: at least not to... right a collegepaper
mircea_popescu: "Comments: Interested in finding the value of a like new Otrona Attache. all accessories (including carry case)and documentation and software with it. Used only once to wright a college paper."
asciilifeform: ah that's called 'luggable'
mircea_popescu: nah, that large thing with the keyboard unwrapping off the top.
asciilifeform: was 1st porta-comp that wasn't 'oscilloscope' shaped
mircea_popescu: "attache -- the compact computer for the professional". back when computer guy had to go around with toolbox the size of plumber's.
asciilifeform: 'A break from my usual exotic, esoteric, rare and high-end vintage computers- I built a 486DX2 66mhz DOS shitbox for reliving my childhood.' ( from his twatter ) << lulzily, i did this recently..
asciilifeform: ( was thinking -- comment d00d ? )
asciilifeform: yeah didnt think so , not there either.
asciilifeform: !~google site:http://www.loper-os.org tr1nitr0n
asciilifeform: !~google site:http://www.loper-os.org tr0n
mircea_popescu: the fate of fame is that more people will have an oppinion of you than you ever met.
asciilifeform: looks to be connected with the 'lispm engineer' derp even
mircea_popescu: well, i guess see if ian wants to reg a pgp key, i'd rate him. if nothing else, on the strength of
phf: the later, in fact that little snippet of quails piping in reminded my why i don't spend time on bolix.
mircea_popescu: phf do you also know who the quails fellow is ? someone or just local beck ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the strong claim was that he was the guy that finally fitted disk to symbolics. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway. so far i've not discovered a discrete way to help teh good folk.
mircea_popescu: hey, as per regulations that's what you have to do anyway as part of cleaning them
phf: perhaps if it was my only thing to do, but i would still probably find myself staring down a barrel of a nagant at some point
phf: that was before i knew either tr0n or probably even asciilifeform for that matter. ascii's been posting bolix stuff for a while now, and i'm not particularly keen on mediating this relationship.
asciilifeform: it ain't any kind of mystery how to contact asciilifeform , or where
asciilifeform: phf: y'know if you suspected the mail ain't getting through -- could have asked.
mircea_popescu: wait, you sat there watching alf bitchslap random guy and shaking your head ? lol
phf: we also talked a few times about him emailing asciilifeform about symbolics hardware, either with a dismissive reply or no reply at all.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is unable to map the fella in the snippet to anyone he ever met in meatspace or corresponded with.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read to the end and still have nfi who these folx are. i suspect we have ( charitably ) case of mistaken identity.
phf: i know trinitr0n personally, and i also spent time on #bolix a year or so ago, but snr went down, and now it's mostly tr0n's personal shit talking place, so i just communicate with a handful of people from that channel who i think are useful by other means
asciilifeform: ( 1st lappy in any useful sense of the word. powered -- and afaik still does - american and french 'nuke football', among other applications. )
asciilifeform: i've been trying to buy one for ages.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im a guest there, what. am i going to go around visiting people and organising their harems ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to a certain (EXTREMELY FUCKING LARGE) degree, people being weary of redditatds one day popping in is entirely understandable to me.
asciilifeform: it isn't the typical pit of screaming imbeciles, tru
asciilifeform: and even to 'mill' ( a gavinization of a poor reading of asciilifeform's unbuilt arch )
asciilifeform: so far sad folx, referring to loongson as if it existed
mircea_popescu: but -- everyone knows you. get used to it.
mircea_popescu: it's all in there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still have nfi which d00d it is, who claimed to know me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SYECU/?raw=true bolix discussion (they dun wanna have it public). including first ever instance of a "who the fuck are you" handshake working out.
asciilifeform: i dun think i ever had an 8086 without 640k
asciilifeform: dun think so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know a fellow tr0n/trinitr0n ?
asciilifeform: trinque: hey, d00d is 'sane' enough that he offloads his insanity to a shannonizer. weakling!11
trinque: that's a true honor, right there.
trinque: "Your writing sounds like a rant of a person more crazy than I am." - Terry Davis << wahahahaha
asciilifeform: but in neither case does the instr set 'fully correspond to the language'. in the case of ada in particular, there is a useful thing that happens ~where whole program~ is examined.
asciilifeform: from ada pov only the former is relevant.
mircea_popescu: so then why confusion of ideas ?
asciilifeform: that was the contention of my piece ( linked above )
mircea_popescu: my hidden implication being that the traditional reasons to have the cleave are no longer sound.
asciilifeform: ops like 'move these 64 bits from this-here-place to that-there-place' etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a substantive function, in transistor-poor era , to break down high level lang into the type of ops realistically fittable into silicon
mircea_popescu: phf supposedly this was for some charity with kidsd and shit.
mircea_popescu: (in other lulz nobody likely cares about, * Topic for #bolix is: *** IBM PCjr collectors club )
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 19:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.laweekly.com/arts/the-highlander-taught-me-how-to-sword-fight-7558697 << actually apparently they have the same dumbass on the west coast, too. http://archive.razorcake.org/site/spaw/uploads/files/Liz_O_b.jpg
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692636 << neal stephenson at some point raised half a million dollars on kickstarter to write a realistic computer simulation/game for sword fighting. his target audience/groupies/support staff look remarkably similar to the people from the photo in this articles, including the one lady in renfair getup. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ok, let's approach it this way : is the point of a "high level language" strictly to clothe cpu instruction set in glyphs people like, or is there an actual substantive function to it beyond ux ?
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu had read my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46 piece. but in re lisps, there are specific operations that are missing from extant hardware : gc/cons, and boundscheckedarrayaccess. these are clumsily implemented in software.
asciilifeform cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion that leads to this question.
mircea_popescu: but you can in fact make the cpu run the same instruction set as the language allows ?
asciilifeform: ada is interesting because 1) all array accesses bounds checked. you CAN hardwarize this. but also 2) whole program is forced to conform to strict rules, said conformance can only be evaluated during compilation, and strictly when taken as whole
asciilifeform: not the instructions.
mircea_popescu: for the same money you could know 0f is if or whatever the fuck, ada instruction.
asciilifeform: in the end when you try an' make this, you end up with essentially the bolix chip.
mircea_popescu: humanreadable face on code is a GLYPH. the code is actually code.
asciilifeform: huamnreadables come in variablewidths, so this doesn't work in physical reality.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ince when the fuck ? use whatever glyphs you want for the opcodes.
asciilifeform: the lispm was pointedly NEVER anything of the kind.
asciilifeform: that'd mean 'shuffling the human strings' necessarily.
asciilifeform: lol, as in basic interpreter, actually moving the fucking humanreadable strings around ?
pete_dushenski: in other "we didn't mean to phork ITWASAJOKE", http://archive.is/JGbb0
asciilifeform: what would that mean
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 19:42 asciilifeform: in fact, here's a new (afaik) scheme for tta. an instruction is THREE addresses, X, Y, Z. and it performs Z := X xor Y.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677807 << see also thread... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 20:04 mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, what's the state of the art re "MINIMAL cpu design" ? ie, the theory of how many instructions mustg be in a set and why and per-instruction justification and everything ?
mircea_popescu: subject to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692736 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and if i were producing $box by the million, i wouldn't deal with these derps and use their weird arch, but have my own asiced. )
mircea_popescu: aha. neah, they sell like NSA sells FG.
asciilifeform: yes. but not on open market, is the point.
mircea_popescu: they're all asics, in the metal layer sense used in bitcoin mining. they deliver.
asciilifeform: looks like golden toilet asicization exists (existed) ?
mircea_popescu: http://gaisler.com/index.php << check them out heh
asciilifeform: ( that doesn't rely on closed xilinx 20GB turdchain to fill, doesn't contain a flash rom, doesn't double as a frying pan )
asciilifeform: there's NO shortage of these.
mircea_popescu: 32 bit thing, has source, vdhl etc.
mircea_popescu: the raspberri before the raspberri
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's that thing amateur rocketry kids dfick with, what was it
asciilifeform: ( other than by baking into fpga. which 1) introduces the 'which fpga, again' problem 2) if you have fpga, big enough for sparc, you can make up a SANE arch to go in it
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was ever any good.
asciilifeform: i mention sparc as a historic item, it is afaik no longer possible to source it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true, but the fucking correct solution was to take the bs off not to "fix it". aaanyway
mircea_popescu: ie, if you implement 32 register views you're then making a server cpu whereas if you implement 3 you're thereby making an embeddable cpu
asciilifeform: and yes it's ridiculous . but they forced themselves into it by having the window thing at all, is the idea.
mircea_popescu: and the sparc designers imagined allowing this to be between x or y counts as "Scalable"
mircea_popescu: the number of such "register views" aka windows was a per-processor thing