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asciilifeform: ( collectors, i say, are to bolix as phylloxera is to wine. )
mircea_popescu: constantinople wasn't so important militarily ; but certainly in the copying monk sense here discussed. even after the venetians sacked it, it still had shit.
asciilifeform: liek bolix after the whisperers are done burning through the last ivory's mtbf yea
asciilifeform: i thought constantinopol was 'all pasture inside' at that point..?
mircea_popescu: before that, it was "who the fuck are these anons" all the way.
mircea_popescu: this is not very clear. turks captured cairo because htey held constantinople.
asciilifeform: i meant the specific ones denied to the rebelling son. ( rather than 'any' )
mircea_popescu: except not at all without. i personally sat on the steps of oldest university in europe -- in istanbul. 1200s
asciilifeform: the turks somehow did just fine 'organizing church and state' without them bookz
mircea_popescu: in the simplest of terms, no afghan goes "we must make peace with trump because he bought himself a jet". at the time, this literally happened, "we can not be at war with these people they have books".
mircea_popescu: so yea, the market reflected.
mircea_popescu: there is a moment in frank history when this third brother raised up in rebellion because his father disinherited him. and he had... no artefacts. this was a huge fucking deal, they had not a single book to know how to organize the state/church.
asciilifeform: dunno that the market reflected this notion
mircea_popescu: but, understand : copying monk cca 1490 was worth, in adjusted terms, more than the current 747 jet trump bought.
mircea_popescu: half the time even copied random strings in.
asciilifeform: but strictly that.
asciilifeform: the former is helpful in propagating the artifact where it may eventually fall into the hands of the latter
mircea_popescu: the copy under discussion spanned that gamut.
asciilifeform: also i'll note, there are 2 types of copy, the basic 'soviet' type ( where you life everything incl. dec's 'when you care enough to steal the very best' easter egg inscription ) and the kind where you actually get the ~concept~ out
mircea_popescu: no argument on that end.
asciilifeform: on my planet , it is ~impossible to hire even ordinary winblowz reversing for anything like sane moneys.
mircea_popescu: it is a matter of fact, though. a monk was fucking expensive. more so than the modern item in question.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is as always quite eager to lowball the market value of anyone not himself
mircea_popescu: classical text were copyable by hands of higher capital value than today's silicon copier.
mircea_popescu: "bare hands" at the time meant low control high force "i can move rocks hehe".
asciilifeform: quite mistaken comparison. classical texts were copyable with bare hands.
mircea_popescu: the latter pull on the tits. the former do not.
asciilifeform: not a single 1 of these folx show any symptom whatsoever of having a microscopic part of the most elementary clue re what is involved.
mircea_popescu: there's a very strictly defined ingredient which distinguishes the cargo cult scavenger worlds from the renaissance scavenger worlds.
mircea_popescu: is the easy bit because it was done.
asciilifeform: go an' replace the 'ivory'.
asciilifeform: the hdd is the easy bit.
mircea_popescu: not so. the "replace hdd" item is proof of this.
asciilifeform: we're talking about a nonrenewable resource.
mircea_popescu: the more you pull on the nipples, the bigger the tits grow.
mircea_popescu: the point however, is that if this gets going he'll be (justly) motivated to do more work, replacement wise on them etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 15:17 mircea_popescu: and this in the best case, a good half simply buy them to deny it to memory strokers in the hope of geting more $$$ later.
asciilifeform: ( is why the rembrandtists buy'em by the dozen, $100,000's worth )
asciilifeform: and d00d himself points out re low mtbf. which is sadly tru for ancient box for which ~no replacement parts exist.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to buy a multiuser box.
asciilifeform: as opposed to unix etc abstraction
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what.
asciilifeform: whoever has the console, has full r/w to whole box
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: know also, these weren't in any sense whatsoever multiuser.
phf: it is possibly because 3600 series is a hog. xl1201 is snappy, i got it to render a jpeg over the wire for example, all the hacking was done on machine over x11
mircea_popescu: understand : the neurotic chick that's fucked regular, unbecomes neurotic. the sane chick not fucked, becomes.
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure there's much limitation on usage.
asciilifeform: ( no lispm ever built in the classical period had anything like the address space to make it bitcoin-capable, for instance )
asciilifeform: it ain't terribly useful as a headless deployment thing, tho, really shines as dev tool
asciilifeform: so promises to be expensive hoster.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : i just brokered a deal whereby we could in principle get candi to run off vintage iron, as a hosting deal :D ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:26 asciilifeform: the 'collectors', in my experience, have been the farthest possible thing from a help -- quite a hindrance, in fact.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:17 asciilifeform: it is almost as if they did not want their 3-10k $ investments to turn into the equivalent of old nintendo.
asciilifeform: and rembrandts them on, to next idiot, for 100x price, 'to the moon!'
asciilifeform: but 'black archaeology' imbecile gets to feel warm an' speshul.
asciilifeform: and who knows how many idiots like this, for how many years, and guess what, NOT ONE electron micrograph published
asciilifeform: i will illustrate my comment 'they are grave robbers, not archaeologists'. take, for instance, https://www.instagram.com/p/BUXulHRgjEZ/?taken-by=tr1nitr0n ( it dun show on archive.is, i have nfi why . ) pictured is derp buys 4 (! and where?!) smbx ivory cpu
asciilifeform: and studiously avoided ever writing to asciilifeform , though will claim to have, and even to have met him in meat ( i know quite well that i have met none, and never saw any such mail )
asciilifeform: it is hilarious, all of these d00dz know one another
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea was, restaurants don't work like apple stores, there's a "concept store" etc. they work more like music acts i guess.
phf: well, right, this is not any kind of area of jwz
mircea_popescu: i suppose the situation is tight coupling between businessman and chef, which meanwhile disolved. i still count it as an a, except the funes item came in thje shape of starr/rose binome.
phf: i'm pretty sure starr himself is not a cook, but apparently the whole starr restaurant is not his first venture, he started as a large-scale stadium concert organizer (? i'm not sure what to call that role), so who knows how much cash he put into his restaurant venture
mircea_popescu: a yeah, check that out, franchised. sad. i've not seen the books but i'll bet you the conglomerate lost money q1 2017.
mircea_popescu: or did he do the whole tv franchise bs and left coucou ?
asciilifeform: 'selling even one of these in today’s market would recoup the cost of everything we purchased, the van rental & gas between here and boston, the cost of freighting hundreds and hundreds of pounds of equipment from new york to washington state with enough left over to purchase a brand new macbook'
mircea_popescu: in my mind that's a.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm thinking stephen starr
asciilifeform: rembrandting the poor old junkers
mircea_popescu: were you talking d ?>
mircea_popescu: i am not aware of a successful restaurant that was built as you describe. you have a) the funes style restaurants, owned and operated by an actual expert chef. these are 50-50 for roi. b) the "prestige" restaurants of very large hotel conglomerates. these always lose money and are the mud from which a sprouts and in which a goes to die. and then you have the roadside diners. and then d) you have the franchises.
phf: well, how do they have it with the restauranteurs: you have the guy who designs the concept and then you have the day manager who actually runs the place
asciilifeform: ' RoHS = Restrictions on Hand Soldering ' ( good one. and true : as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 , shit dun melt worth shit with any available iron ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf he tried and failed from hwat i hear. though i hear via actual bar people, as opposed to itards, and it's mixed in "shithead has nfi how to run a bar" expletives.
asciilifeform: phf: i dunno how to parse this
phf: i think if he stuck to the original "cyberia" vision from The Hackers instead of leaning towards the whole san francisco cyber goth thing, but then you can't really bring new york cool to san francisco anyway
mircea_popescu: yua ya. shoulda put naked sluts on the stage.
mircea_popescu: oh the guy made a bar right
asciilifeform: he ran a restaurant/club thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original jwz
asciilifeform looks at derp's www, finds that it still alive, but begging for donations
mircea_popescu: what is that ?
asciilifeform: from same twatter, lulz, 'jwz: DNA Lounge update, wherein DNA Lounge will be closed soon, without your help.'
mircea_popescu: the way it usually works is that they lose focus vision but retain lateral vision (this is how chet's eyes work). this then can through intensive training be taken to the point where you can actually write code. whereas surgery to implant a) doesn't yield very good focus vision and b)c threatens complete destruction of peripheral remnants.
mircea_popescu: major problem is that few people lose vision through retinal failure in a way that produces total blindness.
mircea_popescu: o ? i wasn't aware that was solved even.
asciilifeform: 9"0' : 'whatcha up to?' 'making some retinal implants...' 'didja solve the glue problem' 'yea we solved the glue problem..'
asciilifeform: ( there were maybe a 1000 made, iirc )
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is not the golden toilet aspect, but that mit bought up a good % of the whole run
mircea_popescu: actually the ancient web presses were coupla mil a pop.
mircea_popescu: so... two dozen 1/4mn boxes, what of it ? ordinary print shop
asciilifeform: other than that : looks like 'ordinary' uni lab
asciilifeform: that's the detail that makes asciilifeform's jaw drop tho.
mircea_popescu: i believe. to my eye that's not apparent, just, you know, "Whatever boxes they use"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: each of those fat squat boxes is a 3650 and was something like 200k usd ( 1980s usd )
mircea_popescu: looks ~same as the cluj itc, cca 1985
asciilifeform: the 1/8th scale (!!) chopper alone, tells tale
phf: not even just because of bolix, but the overall "there's working being done here" feel
asciilifeform: betcha there ain't a single nonx86 comp ( or nonx86 brain!11 ) in that bldg right nao
phf: yeah, that's a beautiful video