asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353582 >> actually no, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353299 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: vs what

asciilifeform: fpr?

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: read the link

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the latter was the gavinalert thing and i killed it long ago, yes

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: note that the former remains in place, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0711

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: another thing. the 'upgrade needed' message is distinct from the turdmeister alert

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they're prlly bound by omerta

asciilifeform: (though who knows whether his phriendz who worked on mircea_popescucoin may also be lurking)

asciilifeform: and the only fella who's seen both is mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: does anybody else find it lulzy that there are actually 2 trb's ?

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: (premature, imho, but whatever)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think pete_dushenski was trying to write a history of trb ?

asciilifeform: (there is/was also 'wx' but it is a shambles)

asciilifeform: it is the ~only~ remaining working cross-platform native-widget graphic lib for cpp.

asciilifeform: 'Qt uses C++ with signals and slotsxiv to provide a cross-platform application framework for, essentially, illiterate amateurs.' << unfortunately this is not so

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pretty sure he brought it up in 2013 not long after i started reading

asciilifeform: now with 4x the disk at 2x the speed.

asciilifeform: kakobrekla et al: zoolag is back.

asciilifeform: why else.

asciilifeform: because haven't thrown it out yet ?

asciilifeform: e.g. a '90s xerox of the complete works of trofim denisovich lysenko.

asciilifeform: there's mebbe half a tonne of horror show in 3-rings just in this room

asciilifeform: 'tis so.

asciilifeform looks at shelf, misreads 'applied cryptography' as 'applied coprophagy'

asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2015/what-is-a-supermarket << somehow i missed this

asciilifeform: kakobrekla et al: zoolag will be going down for ssd upgrade starting now and ending with a few hrs later

asciilifeform: dns seeds << l0l

asciilifeform: and, apparently, through chinese 320x200 cam also..

asciilifeform: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: and does that count as a legible string ?

asciilifeform: https://36.media.tumblr.com/74d1486c81d76777ab0c38070f89d6bf/tumblr_nzxw8qDQIj1v0e7i8o1_1280.jpg << looks like like... moiety

asciilifeform: isolate the idiots, when they do the kindness of making this so convenient.

asciilifeform: and has effect beyond one particular node.

asciilifeform: doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db

asciilifeform: and!

asciilifeform: oh!

asciilifeform: aws ban hammer enabled on all 3 of my nodez now.

asciilifeform: but we aren't there yet.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the correct 'non-enumerative badness' expression is, ultimately, 'don't give cpu cycles out to all-comers'

asciilifeform: ^^^

asciilifeform: when rackspace starts handing out vm to reddit k00l d00dz for a penny/hour, i'll ban it.

asciilifeform: on account of the 'easy & cheap'

asciilifeform: presently it is the most pestilential variety of rubbish

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: by no means. but why permit known and exhaustively-catalogued rubbish ?

asciilifeform: not normally, no.

asciilifeform: because a 'cloud' node is a pseudonode.

asciilifeform: this plus the fact that there is no meaningful collateral damage

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1350912 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000187.html

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:

asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

asciilifeform: marie antoinette.

asciilifeform: what is this headless chimera.

asciilifeform: http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/199.jpg << ditto ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/200.jpg << same ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/197.jpg << german leaflet

asciilifeform: can't wait for the politruks !

asciilifeform: er, more effectively, and more reliably. (See page 24 for more information on the IC Information Technology Enterprise, otherwise known as ``IC ITE.'') Robust counterintelligence data and analytic tools to monitor, analyze, and audit personnel behavior will be critical to this endeavor.'

asciilifeform: 'The Committee supports substantially enhancing and expediting efforts to deter the insider threat and believes doing so will require an integrated counterintelligence and security apparatus that spans the IC and the U.S. Government. Additionally, the Committee believes the IC's information technology modernization effort--the IC Information Technology Enterprise--must provide the infrastructure to detect insider threats earli

asciilifeform: in other nyooz,

asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo is anybody gonna qntra the juniper crud ?

asciilifeform: mechanized morse really

asciilifeform: http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/telecom/codes/baudot.html << moar.

asciilifeform: http://cheshirecatalyst.com/p-telex.html << for n00bz

asciilifeform: in fact, whole point of 'p' originally in my head was so that mircea_popescu could have these.

asciilifeform looks forward to using mircea_popescu's p-block for telex clearsigs.

asciilifeform: telex!

asciilifeform: unless they have a different character set on mars, also called ascii, where - is not 45

asciilifeform: sure as fuck is

asciilifeform: but in no case could i be ~guaranteed~ of signing an arbitrary ascii string without mutilation

asciilifeform: either the start/end marker (as in traditional gpg) or length offset marker (as somebody suggested here)

asciilifeform: (in having magical words)

asciilifeform: well, it'd necessarily have to be more narrow than ascii

asciilifeform: incl. the nonprintable ones.

asciilifeform: because if you want to avoid 'malleability', now you have to actually use a tool that shows you the bytes.

asciilifeform: at which point the supposed advantage of the 'plainness' is nowhere to be found

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: possibly

asciilifeform: granted, hex editor will show you immediately why. but the 'plain text is readable without tools' illusion is - just that

asciilifeform: not mega-trick. but works.

asciilifeform: entirely different contents.

asciilifeform: prints same with 'cat'

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/samecat/foo.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/samecat/bar.txt

asciilifeform: in the same spirit, have another!:

asciilifeform: ugh

asciilifeform: this whole discussion, every time we have it, really mirrors in my mind the debates i've had with greyhaired non-programming folk who insisted on 'one day we will program in NATURAL LANGUAGE!11111'

asciilifeform: *unixlikes

asciilifeform: or how to process it consistently

asciilifeform: and we still don't have agreement - yes, even among unixlines - how to actually display 'plain text'

asciilifeform: you still need a computer to read 'plain ascii'

asciilifeform: and i still insist that the 'clearness' of 'clearsign' is a jwzism. NO YOU CAN'T actually read the payload 'without tools'. yes, you can put it to a line printer, and get a human-readable page. BUT it will not be WHAT YOU SIGNED! not bitwise, and not mandatorily, and therefore not at all.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: part of the appeal of running a 'pastebin' ~is~ the crud dropped in by the mob. for instance, there is a long tradition of dropping 0days and leaked misc crud on pastebin. ☟︎

asciilifeform: because, again, the whole 'plain text' jwzism and the attendant retardation. somehow 'lines' are a thing. ☟︎

asciilifeform: gotta use awk (or, horror, perl)

asciilifeform: and what's more, afaik you cannot get around this in gnu sed.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sed -n '/\/start\//,/\/end\//p' will work, but it prints crud prior to start or after end ~if on same line~

asciilifeform: or sign every scrap of paper i put in the shredder