asciilifeform: (incidentally, maslennikov reveals several levels of shammitude. for instance, according to him, NOBODY actually USED the calculators. they were issued pro-forma. the actual signing was done with a - never officially approved - pc proggy)
asciilifeform: that was the thing that made the legend credible
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu. but why would the exchange rate freeze at that particular time ?
asciilifeform: whether stopped for this reason, or because god pressed a button, i do not know.
asciilifeform: and then - at the time crypto was introduced - stopped abruptly.
asciilifeform: the exchange rate of dollar in ruble climbed exponentially
asciilifeform: anyway the complete story was that chechens set up faux transfer, and immediately used the proceeds to buy us dollars
asciilifeform: but that chechens knew how to steal ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the fake aviso being sole source of chechen money thing certainly is fake
asciilifeform: incidentally, maslennikov's book raised a question in my head, were western banks making use of modern crypto in '91 ?
asciilifeform: to see what i mean, break all vpatches apart on file-hash tuple boundaries, and then feed into mod6's vtron set to wild mode, and generate the plot
asciilifeform: presently a vpatch is really an agglomeration of patches
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. but the thing really oughta be more granular
asciilifeform: mno you never 'start from here and apply everything' because there can be mutually exclusive branches
asciilifeform: with multiple genesis (e.g. documentation) it is necessary.
asciilifeform: the original question appears to be about whether 'v' ought to take multiple arguments for head. and the answer is yes, but i did not write this because we had only one genesis
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you define it when pressing
asciilifeform: it is simply the place you grab onto and pull out a sequence
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that the aviso debacle took place, is not controversial. the debate among historians appears to be about whether a quarter, third, or even half of the budget was stolen, and whether it even makes a difference precisely how much
asciilifeform: (process stops when you hit the genesis)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your question is elementarily answerable by looking at the hashes. each file hash exists solely because it came out of another patch. apply recursively.
asciilifeform: using very elementary fakes of 'aviso' (bank transfer)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: circa '91-92 about 1/4 to 1/3 of ru national budget was stolen, mainly by chechens
asciilifeform: (who designed the little signature machine)
asciilifeform: ads and displays were manufactured in Russia.' (from your earlier link) - this was maslennikov
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'Back in 1992 $200 billion were stolen from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation with the help of so-called “fake letters of advice”. Russia was on the brink of a financial collapse. The Central Bank was urgently equipped with more than 10 000 encoders manufactured at Russian plants. It helped to prevent thefts. It should be noted that there were no foreign electronic components in the encoders, even keyp
asciilifeform: BUT only because a patch can affect multiple files, can it have multiple ~immediate~ antecedents.
asciilifeform: is there a coprophagiaincambodia.com ?
asciilifeform: or do they get sheared off at tunnels.
asciilifeform: or do they fall off on their own as the engine revvs up ?
asciilifeform: does the conductor of that paki train wield a stick with which to dislodge excess 'outdoor passengers' ?
asciilifeform: picture if there were no practical way of keeping them out.
asciilifeform: and consider how many bodies could physically fit in your living room
asciilifeform: so the stench of poverty everywhere, without exception
asciilifeform: and certainly no way to keep non-paying anybody out of nearly anything
asciilifeform: picture, no such thing as a fine restaurant without stinking beggars and screaming welfare kidz represented 'fairly'
asciilifeform: often i picture how horrified even the most hardened liberast would be if he could visit a meatspace universe that is as devoid of healthy meat-flies separation as the net is today
asciilifeform: and make some temporary breathing room.
asciilifeform: what however ~is~ possible is to bugspray the current set of flies
asciilifeform: it is not actually possible to put meat out in the sun 'but not for flies'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way the socket handler works (and fixing this would involve rewriting more or less everything) a 'lingerer' ties up the box.
asciilifeform: is there a particular reason we ought to be wasting any cycles on 'embrace & extend' fucktards ?
asciilifeform: any reason we don't insta-disconnect these ?
