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a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 21:35 edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space
shinohai: Also, from here onwards you should refer to Segwit as `Segshit`
trinque: cept that eventually miners will defect from the thing, and steal everyone's segwit "transactions", much to the lul of all.
mod6: edivad: yah, it'll really help you out to read at least 6 months of logs. And if you read more, even better. There's a wealth of knowledge in there.
trinque: as currently derped, yep, "segwit" shouldn't mean a damn thing to bitcoin proper.
trinque: edivad: can search the logs first, eh? there's lots in there re: segwit and other failures of folks to diddle the definition of bitcoin
mod6: ok updated, take another look: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted? ☟︎
trinque: !#s taint
edivad: i've understood that TRB = purity
trinque: edivad: don't ask to ask.
mod6: I'll say 20G, that should suffice, for now.
edivad: i need to ask something more political than technical
mod6: yeah, that's always what mine is once complete, ~4.5G ☟︎
trinque: looks like my trb dir weighs 4.5gb over here; something like that should be fine
edivad: ok perfect, the third time that i've restarted the node there weren't no problem at all
mod6: <+trinque> ah well sure, suppose mod6 could mention the build environment is going to be big. << While I'm at it on the updates; i think, let's say, you need a minimum of what? 20Gb ?
mod6: <+edivad> i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space << oh sure. I didn't even think to ask. Next time I will.
trinque: 2, entirely likely the power rangers changed the wallet format
mod6: <+edivad> thanks again to all of you that have helped me in the troubleshooting << You're welcome. Very good of you to have such persistence to keep working through the issues.
trinque: it was calling out to some website for external IP, which is nonsense.
edivad: 2nd) the second time that i've started TRB, it was complaining that wallet.dat was corrupted (this wallet.dat was generated from latest core, so i suppose is deterministic, is this the reason for being rejected?)
edivad: the 1st) when i started for the first time TRB, he was bitching that myip=something wasn't present on my .conf. Is this a TRB specific requirement?
edivad: and now is checking every block from the beginning
edivad: in my case i've recycled a previous bitcoin core blockchain and fired up TRB ☟︎
edivad: that precious indexed database, with hours of CPU time on his shoulders, won't be mixed with dirty system files
trinque: ah well sure, suppose mod6 could mention the build environment is going to be big.
edivad: i keep the blockchain stored separatedly
edivad: problem is this
trinque: pittance compared to what you'll need to hold the blockchain, eh?
edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space ☟︎
edivad: i think that is important to add to the guide that the average joe will need at least 6 gb of space in his hard disk to be able to compile from scratch TRB
edivad: now that i run a node i can consider myself truly part of tmsr?
edivad: thanks again to all of you that have helped me in the troubleshooting
asciilifeform bbl, off to torture room
asciilifeform: exercise for reader : find the hidden conditionals.
asciilifeform: claims ' Compute V <-- A^{-1} (mod M), in data-independent time.' in comments tho
asciilifeform: contribution to gmp
asciilifeform: most don't even bother with this pretense. http://archive.is/GNrtB is a more typical idiocy
asciilifeform: plenty of nonsense claiming to solve these, entire forests annihilated. but EVERYONE pulled the scam described earlier ( memory indexed by secret value )
asciilifeform: while we're on the subj of 'cryptographers' : a constant time gcd is also apparently not known.
asciilifeform: and leaks timing on every intel box since 1990s
asciilifeform: openssl, for instance, features the one with tables
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody knows , afaik, a sane algo. not 1 lib implements anything of the kind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the guy complains about the modular exponentiation not being constant time. maybe write to him ask where he ever saw a sane algo ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked item was and remains quite typical of subj
mircea_popescu: this terribler / tribler thing is a very amusing read.
asciilifeform: forn00bz: an, e.g., rsa modexp, in ffa, must be representable by a long roll of paper, on it are ops for ordinary 4function calculator, with very patient slave. and roll ONLY ROLLS FORWARD and has finite # of instructions on it, known in advance when you decide the ffa width. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's not how the real world works tho!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we gotta. look. at. every. cell. every. time.
asciilifeform: ( effect of caching is to make some addrs load, at particular ( or all ) times faster than others. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole fucking point of making a n-dimensional table, be it 1 or whatever else, is to avoid looking at all the cells all the time
asciilifeform: and i ain't about to introduce any.
asciilifeform: in currently published ffa set, none of the ops do this
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to know it's there, your code with your entire machine could be emulated later (a la bolix on chip say) and you'd suddenly be weak, even if you deliberately included no cache.
mircea_popescu: the bitch with any such approach, as i realised last night. there is NO WAY to protect yourself from downstream cache. no way.
asciilifeform: 'we sprayed perfume over the corpse, it is alive'
asciilifeform: meanwhile from literature search, every article ever, apparently, written re 'constant time modular exponentiation' proposes... tables
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ << keiser. whatever happened to him ?
asciilifeform: ( meanwhile from the vintage cryptoidiocies file, http://archives.seul.org/tor/dev/Dec-2014/msg00099.html )
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was that name of that poinless douche with a "tv show" and some "assistant" retarded chick masquerading about being me back in 2014ish ? k something
mircea_popescu: because hey, that's what the public needs "experts" on the level of
mircea_popescu: it's always been a major lulz for me that the same idiots howling about "don't reuse addresses -- it makes usg's pretense of defungibilizing bitcoin that less tenable" never happened to ever mention "don't deterministic wallets, it's on the level of cesar cipher homebrew".
edivad: can i read something about lattice? i haven't understood well the message
mircea_popescu: we have some expectations about security, they do not include the self-diddle that is "deterministic signatures", ie, i'll sign with a shitton of mathematically related privkeys.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696704 >> this is the real concern. ☝︎
shinohai: Ah ok .... so that must not be your particular issue
mircea_popescu: edivad use p.bvulpes.com not pastebin.com thepasteb.in etc.
edivad: it's pretty much already modded as you have told
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:33 edivad: i thought that dice was great for cheap and safe cold storage, if done it right
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696685 << it's cheap in the sense making your shoes by hand is cheap. it can be fun, but that's as far as it goes. leaving aside problems of how much a pair of aluminum, ruby or w/e dice cost (ie, GOOD dice), a throw provides you with a few bit's worth, FG spits out kB's worth per second. on a per-entropy-bit cost, figuring in capital goods, salary for the thrower, etcetera, FG is about 5 de ☝︎
shinohai: edivad: If it isn't in /usr/share then you may have to grep for it .... tbh I rarely used Ubuntu so
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:16 shinohai: ^ That pthread issue I solved on Debian by going to /usr/share/cmake and changing a line in CheckIncludeFiles.cmake
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696641 << that file. ☝︎
mod6: <+shinohai> mircea_popescu: The cmake in Debian/Ubuntu repositories used to have that pthread bug, first time I built a trb with `V` that happened. << i don't remember ever having this issue fwiw
shinohai is happy to no longer suffer from Debian/Ubuntu infection
edivad: so i can change the line that you have posted
mircea_popescu: a ok then.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, recall that ? "reality diverged from comfortable model thereof, but it has been denied with appropriate incantations and can now go back to bed. i wonder what's on tv ?"
hanbot: mircea_popescu : i seem to remember a period in which the .ro line went that you were "illegal", yeah.
mircea_popescu: shinohai consider reporting on their list ? maybe.
mircea_popescu: denial very cheap solution to resolve this pressure.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: The cmake in Debian/Ubuntu repositories used to have that pthread bug, first time I built a trb with `V` that happened.
mircea_popescu: by now the psychological tension is intolerable though, "what, billionaire ?!?!?! what, tmsr ?!?!" etc. there's that little old jewish mother's voice in the back of their skull, "how come this one could and you can't ?" that's utterly killing them.
edivad: ok i will use the other pastebin no problem
mircea_popescu: this was very noticeable even when i was organising conferences for local bloggers / getting romania's new right party a headquarters etc. "oh, this doesn't really happen, mp can't really exist" etc bla bla.
mircea_popescu: hanbot heh. i expect it's deeper than that, though. dork is romanian, and that country had a ~50 year period of enforced equality-through-poverty the likes of which the us can only dream of. this has the side benefit of every kid expecting every other kid be you know, a goat of ~same size. maybe this other guy has a slightly newer car, that's the accepteable limit of it.
edivad: i'm abusing of it in some way that i haven't noticed?
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696464 << primo dunning-kruger this morning. no awareness of logs, doesn't keep him from expecting the chicken coop chatter of "things are happening!" at expected rate. ☝︎
edivad: going to do the third clean run, since i have generated the locale in the middle of the process
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:19 shinohai: No in the file CheckIncludeFiles under your cmake installation
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 15:31 mod6: Hi, I've updated the howto, it's not "finalized" yet. Please take a look and let me know if this doesn't read quite right, or if I've left something out:
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696608 << looks crisp, though imho "To build TRB, you are going to need some basic requirements on your system environment." is spurious unless said requirements are specified...the next line about packages and list of same seem sufficient. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a deterministic wallet can have its uses, but they typically aren't "user trying to cheat on running a node".
edivad: to be complete, is an lxc container that is running over proxmox
mod6: ok good to denote. thanks. let us know if it all builds fine for ya.
edivad: so had to generate it
edivad: this time google has figured out
edivad: mod6: auto-solved the last problem with sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8
mircea_popescu: only need ~6.6k. there's about 100k total whores in the pron records.