asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370704 << win ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=apple_store_ban << lulzy re: crapple

asciilifeform: (rather than today, 12)

asciilifeform: i suppose height of my career was as a penniless student: 1 key ☟︎

asciilifeform: and keyrings are retarded, and will not appear in any form

asciilifeform: adlai: i think phf was asking about 'p'

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: since never

asciilifeform: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sexism_videogames << mega-l0l from BingoBoingo's link ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370572 << ~to the merchant.~ (and yes, priced in.) but h is speaking to konsooomers, who 'if i don't see it, it doesn't exist and doesn't possibly affect me' ☝︎

asciilifeform: (do we need a magical flute to make this work ?) ☟︎

asciilifeform: now if only the other vermin heard hearn's 'surrender' and followed him into the sea

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370564 << holy fuck what a snorefest ☝︎

asciilifeform: fuck hidden state.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370562 << take a guess. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (today it is no longer used)

asciilifeform: they had a strange perfume inside, also

asciilifeform: mother brought it in one day - a box of 'post-it-notes'

asciilifeform: i still remember my first 3m product

asciilifeform: best in orcland at any rate

asciilifeform: basf made the best floppies also

asciilifeform: my folks had'em

asciilifeform: those were mega-spiffy

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: i have floppies from before i was born, that still read ok

asciilifeform: preserved to this day ?

asciilifeform: l0l matrix multiplication tables!

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: in other 'news', 4 days of malleus without a blackholing

asciilifeform: re: earlier, see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298696 ☝︎

asciilifeform: holy shit is that reptilia's hotel ?!!

asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015#1336374 ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370555 << ahahahahaha whole thing is worth reading: ☝︎

asciilifeform: they have (had? it's been a while) colourful substitution cipher rebuses in the 'starbucks' around dc area

asciilifeform: phf: one of those places that exists for 'team building' gymnastics

asciilifeform: корпоратив.

asciilifeform: phf: nah, a sorta restaurant/club

asciilifeform: S ? no

asciilifeform: DER-encoding thing? yes.

asciilifeform: in any known client

asciilifeform: but the S-selection does not appear to touch block-validity-tester at all!

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: it's got no tits.

asciilifeform: it doesn't ~do~ anything

asciilifeform: how is tx malleation supposed to impress anybody with the majesty of usg ?

asciilifeform: possibly?

asciilifeform: tx malleation brings not one single hooligan a step closer to the pirannha tank.

asciilifeform: because i don't see the mega-point

asciilifeform: i must be simple-minded, then

asciilifeform: with whom, specifically, does it screw ?

asciilifeform: incidentally i still don't fully grasp the point of the whole malleation thing

asciilifeform: let'em try their luck

asciilifeform: malleate prior to your pool seeing the original ?

asciilifeform: (because 'market' for them, if you will, is under-served for no good reason)

asciilifeform: but my earlier hypothesis was that a high (or at least nondiscriminatory)-S pool would specifically have an edge.

asciilifeform: well certainly not with bare hands.

asciilifeform: (because ????????)

asciilifeform: but somehow 'everybody' was persuaded not to

asciilifeform: *mine

asciilifeform: you ~can~ miner high-S without permafork

asciilifeform: 'The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. ' <<< ahahaha turns out i was right, even per the horse's own mouth

asciilifeform: i am trying to grasp what, precisely, would happen, if mircea_popescu or anybody were to build a high-S miner

asciilifeform: trying to figure out how this is so

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not speaking of miners, but of your earlier statement re:, approx, 'mining a high-S-containing block is a perma-fork'

asciilifeform: what am i missing

asciilifeform: and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx

asciilifeform: they were separate items

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you are conflating the DER encoding thing with the high/low-S thing

asciilifeform: aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules

asciilifeform: i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying

asciilifeform: if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ?

asciilifeform: what made it cheaper ?

asciilifeform digs for the prb src

asciilifeform: (and, naturally, tx generator)

asciilifeform: i thought it was only the relay and selector

asciilifeform: or relayed

asciilifeform: only that they are not selected for blocks

asciilifeform: iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid

asciilifeform: and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block

asciilifeform: aha..

asciilifeform: somebody ought to be collecting those fees!

asciilifeform: if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter,

asciilifeform: rather than adding talmudistry to trb

asciilifeform: to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool

asciilifeform: if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ?

asciilifeform: just as low-S

asciilifeform: thing is, like it or not, high-S is LEGITIMATELY bitcoin

asciilifeform: can't think of for what else

asciilifeform: to fill our high-S-only pool, of course!111

asciilifeform: (i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one)

asciilifeform: or all-highS

asciilifeform: esp. when we finally get that mine pool

asciilifeform: mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong.

asciilifeform: ah

asciilifeform: or is there some rsync thing going

asciilifeform: mod6: the www ?

asciilifeform: if death ray man were not already in jail, he would find good company in oregon.

asciilifeform: !s new york death ray