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asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: on what authority is this to be taken ?
asciilifeform: and was formerly mr. somebodyelse
asciilifeform: polarbeard tells us that he nuked his keys
asciilifeform: there is a more serious problem
asciilifeform: launch codes go over pgp, everything else can be here.
asciilifeform: this is why i almost never 'pm' at all these days
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: anything you say in 'private' about trb will generally end up having to be repeated at least once.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: anybody at all can write patches. just like anyone could write a speech for obamitler to read. now to have him actually read it - is a different matter
asciilifeform: (it will make os api calls, yes, supposing that we want i/o at all. but this is not same thing)
asciilifeform: (i.e. without linking to vendor libs)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point re: the mingw thread was that it is entirely possible to write a proggy, for whatever broken & braindamaged box, without inserting ANY bytes that i did not personally decide to insert.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!!
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: so long as they have same endian
asciilifeform: also see thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes what's the story re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374179 ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374179 << ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: !s from:ben_vulpes !rate
asciilifeform: let's have it
asciilifeform: oh for fucks sake
asciilifeform: mod6: is this in the log ?
asciilifeform: !gettrust polarbeard
asciilifeform: jurov: i worked with mingw for some years.
asciilifeform: this introduces dependency crud
asciilifeform: jurov: you specifically would not want to build something ~for~ cygwin
asciilifeform: !up gitzain
asciilifeform: (i am about as far from the project as could be imagined)
asciilifeform: was wrong about this ?
asciilifeform: i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free
asciilifeform: jurov: somebody easily could
asciilifeform: but at that point why not use an actual os
asciilifeform: polarbeard: you can even, e.g., cygwin, and build x11, and actual gcc, and bash, etc.
asciilifeform: still not an actual shell.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'powershell' ?
asciilifeform: i will develop ~for~ nintendo, if the money is right. but no amount of money is pay enough for developing ON a nintendo.
asciilifeform: it boggles my mind that anybody ever uses vs for anything at all.
asciilifeform: but who the everliving fuck cares.
asciilifeform: you don't need vs for this, either.
asciilifeform: did.
asciilifeform: think of it this way, anything you could do in asm (and that's everything, period) you can do with gcc.
asciilifeform: (which microshit OFFICIALLY proclaims to only be possible using their turdchain)
asciilifeform: wrote drivers, even
asciilifeform: old-fashioned gcc.
asciilifeform: no 'runtimes' or other dependency crud needed.
asciilifeform: naked winblowz box, straight from the crate.
asciilifeform: NONE
asciilifeform: (you can cross-compile trivially, and gcc gives 10x the compactness of vs crud. just treat the box as a kind of nintendo.)
asciilifeform: and didn't ~build~ it there either.
asciilifeform: just not ON it.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that i have written REAMS of code for winblowz.
asciilifeform: i would much rather trade the computer for a pencil.
asciilifeform: just imagine a box where you can't pop a shell & grep
asciilifeform: it is entirely impossible without installing something like vmware
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i can work on an apple box, with a good bit of sweat. i cannot work on a winblowz box.
asciilifeform: but you can work on it, yes. just as you could probably solder a keyboard to a nintendo and work on that.
asciilifeform: and the effort required to set it up for any kind of serious work vastly exceeds the effort used to set up a gentoo box
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is a complete piece of shit
asciilifeform: and censored just as soon.
asciilifeform: l0l are them pigs flyin'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: censored
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384239 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384263 << this argument is every bit as applicable to everybody's, including mircea_popescu's, cpu... ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: study the linux loader to see what 'dynamic' means. static is simply... not doing this
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384237 << what is the nonobvious thing re: static compilation ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384235 << unrelated item, but same toolchain ☝︎
asciilifeform: this makes sense
asciilifeform: sorta like lioness ovulates as soon as the old cubs are recycled, aha
asciilifeform: queenly ?
asciilifeform: and of programmer-whoring especially?
asciilifeform: i thought the stereotypical whoredom is to go, at the drop of a hat, to where it smells of moar money ?!
asciilifeform: originally i thought that it would have to be a gentoo vm, but turns out that one can actually build a genuine toolchain there ! and it runs...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384035 << this is lulzy in re: how i recently had to set up a complete orchestra on an apple box ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384102 << so REAL maths folks eschew line breaks!!11 who knew?! ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'd much like to hear what the man has to say for himself.
asciilifeform: did anybody ever try to get theo to appear here ?
asciilifeform: but this is just my own judgement.
asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die ☟︎
asciilifeform: and recall the incident with theo and his 'friends'
asciilifeform: even on the most heathen linux
asciilifeform: i can haz emacs without dbus ~here~
asciilifeform: thing is, at least the way i understood it, the whole ~point~ of openbsd was as a fortress against poetteringization. and it appears to be in ruins, based on above
asciilifeform: if he wants to maintain a parallel universe, and it doesn't in any serious way inconvenience the actual universe, i will say only kind things.
asciilifeform: i tried...
asciilifeform: so i won't maintain for it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-09-2015#1273965 ☝︎
asciilifeform: e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1365965 ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384135 << i have an openbsd box. but i haven't booted it in over a year, and can't bring myself to. because it is FUCKING LOATHESOME: ☝︎
asciilifeform: ah i finally parsed the thing correctly, when he wrote 'talked that night' it was probably not in the flesh
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: perhaps she had the face of a human, rather than ruminant, nfi ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whaddyamean 0
asciilifeform: so this means in function, on the stack.
asciilifeform: and hah, looks like mircea_popescu said 'inside an if'
asciilifeform: ;;google sbrk
asciilifeform: heap
asciilifeform: so then you know what it means to allocate on the stack.
asciilifeform: ^ for n00bz
asciilifeform: http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/09/06/stack-frame-layout-on-x86-64 << better picture ☟︎