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mircea_popescu: well, actually, i'm
the authority here, definitionally what i'm saying can't be babbling. you've upgraded your argument from "your intel is broken"
to
tmsr dun werk, it's a very dubious
trek.
phf: it is certainly because you haven't found
the right pdfs
☟︎ kanzure: i'm not
that far yet, i'm just saying "if your superpowers are limited
to writing blog posts
then i'm not sure what you have
to offer"
mircea_popescu: kanzure appreciate what you're saying here. "mp, you're spending millions
to get bad intel". rly ?
kanzure: there's signal
that provides information about negative results.
that's not noise.
kanzure: so if your feasibility assessment is based on
the stupid shit you've heard before,
then
that's understandable
mircea_popescu: it's not
that it's not feasible, it's
that stretching your anus
to accomodate
trains is more feasible.
kanzure: certain
things are more feasible
than others. and
there's a lot of morons out
there causing lots of noise.
mircea_popescu: kanzure i doubt
there's much confusion re feasibility.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: specifically do
those causes just not interest you (health, lifespan, memory, gene
therapy, etc), or is
there some sort of confusion about actual feasibility, or what
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:44 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703856 << moreover
the "effects of loci"
thing is rank nonsense of
the level of "here's my
thermometer-based debugging
tool. who wants
to measure cpu quadrant
temperatures as software runs ???".
there's no localisation in
that sense.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:29 BingoBoingo suggests sticking
to
the basics. P53 overexpression, Myostatin inhibition, and let
the dice go on everything else
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because
there was
that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship"
thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw".
kanzure: "productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis,
the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven't even bothered
to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven't
tried cooling").
☟︎ kanzure: no idea. what happened
to you not remembering celebrities.
kanzure: she was not blessed by
the noodly appendage of pre-fame wealth?
mircea_popescu: in my view it worked superbly -- it made britney spears
the LAST of
these "stars" build out of mob spending power.
kanzure: crowdfunding doesn't work (if
the crowd had money
then
they wouldn't need crowdfunding)
mircea_popescu: patreon, gofundme or whatever. i forget what
they're all called, angel list something.
kanzure: is
that a broad wlfare of survitude
to wealthy patrons or what
mircea_popescu: the ~only useful point of
the state at
this micro level is
that it leaks
tax money, enough so as
to support hopeless research in fields not favoured by industry.
mircea_popescu: this is an immense chasm, which will not see productive results in your lifetime. consequently
the only options open
to you are
to either find something else
to do ; or else go into welfare.
mircea_popescu: mkay. here's
the problem : on one hand
there's lieberman's very stern "forbidden
to have course on nonsense" ; on
the other hand people can't fucking help it
that
they're clueless on
topics, and
the sort of lulzy doodle nonsense sprouted by boetke is not HIS fault.
that's,
truthfully, how little we know of genetics.
shinohai: Wherefore removal of condoms got us all in
this mess
kanzure: i should not claim
to be related
to
the codon recoding, it's a subproject
that was not proposed by me
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:26 kanzure: also, i am part of hgp-write (basically human genome project 2.0) one of our projects is removing 7 codons from
the genome
to render human biology impervious
to all existing viruses.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:24 kanzure: anyway, you don't need
to focus merely on small mutations, you can also voluntarily delete chunks of chromosomes or whatever
phf: i don't
think so,
this is more like figuring out
that something's broken in a car by
the sounds
that
the engine is making. doesn't mean
that
the car's not working anymore. it seems reasonable
though
that causes and purposes would be
the response, since
that kind of eliadism is a natural counterpoint
to above...
that's just my impressions
though
mircea_popescu: "when all
the 108 men in
the 40 mile line were blond,
the message came
that
the battle was won ; but later when
two of
them went
to eat and were replaced by guys with green eyes,
the message came
through
that lord monmouth's daugther ran off with
the circus."
mircea_popescu: consider a simple element of historical warfare,
that
the us army could not reproduce
today : arrow messaging. now, what is
the effect of forest guard locus #48 on
the court getting news of battle at hartford ?
toggle it
to what,
taller man ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:23 asciilifeform: and
that we know jack shit re
the effects of
the loci UNTIL SOMEBODY
TOGGLES'EM AT WILL
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because
there was
that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship"
thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw".
☟︎ phf: "intelligence" "humans are idiots" "kurzweil" "working memory" "genetics" "yudkowsky". it's funny at some point you don't even need
to read
the log, you can figure out
the particular, previously observed failure mode of a person by keywords
that stand out
trinque: yudsy's basillisk does not flow back
through
time in-order-to bring about itself.
☟︎ trinque: no sort of political labeling *of reality* is going on, only labeling of a particular failure mode of
the mind.
kanzure: apparently it would be invalid. but not if it's labeled a cause.
that's my understanding of
the feedback so far.
trinque: isn't it rather
that in observing your own ignorance on a subject, you were moved
to appear here?
trinque: that was in no way a response
to my question, and
this isn't "lets all shitpost our feelings
to signal how smart we are"
kanzure: if
things are so willy wonka in here
that one cannot apply effort
to directed intentional behavior
then i'm not really sure how
to communicate
☟︎ kanzure: there are in fact
things
that i do not know so i figured i would go figure
those
things out
kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing
this up with mircea_popescu was
to query his preferences regarding
thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in
technology development for genome engineering projects
☟︎ trinque: the fuck does effort have
to do with purpose and generally speaking (and charitably) what point do you have?
kanzure: 15:10 < kanzure> i'm a little confused. i know
the prepwork is really annoying and laborious in
theory. perhaps he should just mean a low-effort nuke.
kanzure: 'Someone, somewhere, may well possess
the secret of how
to build a
thermonuke using
the materials of ordinary electronics.' *cough*
mircea_popescu: what OTHER fucking reason
than feeling like it can
there be!
mircea_popescu: kanzure you
think ? and pray
tell what's satan
to pay you so
that you love him ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:19 asciilifeform: re
the linked piece, i'm not satisfied with
the direction of
the causal arrow having been established
mircea_popescu: come
to
think of it, perhaps
the best conversational definition for discipline would be "the opposite of WSOD".
trinque: indeed. go read
the "causes and purposes"
thing.
kanzure: why bother listening
to someone if
they are just spewing irrelevant noise? bleh
kanzure: (or change
the desires appropriately if
they were stupid)
kanzure: and if
the behavior is not actually generating
the desired results, you go do other behavior, etc.
kanzure: "and as such
they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn't
this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are
trying
to callibrate collective goal behavior shit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you just happened
to be
there when it did,
that's all.
kanzure: well i suppose
this is your
topic of
the moment. processing...
kanzure: "I don't want anything, it's a factual observation." <--
this person is lying. he was communicating for a reason.
kanzure: alright well anyway, discipline seems more like a reliable metric i suppose, but go back
to your insistence on causes not outcomes
mircea_popescu: then you misuse
the
term. how could sweat correlate weakly with effort, it's like saying gasoline consumption correlates weakly with distance
travelled.
mircea_popescu: this machine eats
the same 200 W any mouthbreather's windows eats. just, mine isn't putting any of
that
towards animated paper clips.
kanzure: they were sweating bullets from
their sheer stupidity
mircea_popescu: they were fucking sweatting bullets, if
that's not effort what is.
mircea_popescu: (spoiler :
the idiots were
trying
to push
the hammer.
that's not how you
tear down walls.)
kanzure: could be anywhere from zero
to a lot of effort, if
they made no progress. but
they might also be idiots.
mircea_popescu: the pro got
there,
tore it all down without breaking a sweat.
mircea_popescu: do you know how much effort
they poured into it ? hours later,
the wall was undented.
mircea_popescu: anyway. he'd hire student kids
to do work for him. i once watched a dozen of
them,
try
to demolish a wall with a 60kg hammer.
mircea_popescu: kanzure when i was a kid, i had a friend. he built
this shambling abomination of a bar, each layer a different style, floor after floor.
kanzure: intelligence or specific mutation is in
the weeds; i'm still stuck
trying
to figure out your sense of "discipline". my approach has often been: death ray made up of delibrate effort -> problem => solution.
mircea_popescu: "memory", what's
that. he got a bit of memory out of his own body
through structuring
the environment.
mircea_popescu: in any case ; i am notorious for a very poor memory, including complete inability
to remember say actresses names.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL
THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of
the water - i know more words, and in
this knowledge i know all
the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
kanzure: well i don't really know if memory has an actual size (that concept might be bullshit)-- what about retention, is
that
the same
thing as size
mircea_popescu: we never had a good outing of
this
theme ; but it is my (probably heretical) notion
that memory size dun really enter into it.