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BingoBoingo: <kanzure> it's literally the answer i was given << I can't find this re-reading log at all
asciilifeform: lol, and witness the 'montrezors' in linked thread
kanzure: i pretend to read all kinds of languages, but mostly english
kanzure: illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here ☟︎
asciilifeform: out of curiousity, kanzure , in what do you read, other than english ?
asciilifeform: lol that link seems to consist entirely of... monologues from atlasfucked
asciilifeform: ( and for so long as 1 honest unit exists, for yoke test -- to even a child, working with bare hands )
asciilifeform: if you substitute a chip that shits out prng stream, in place of the transform specified in http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg-genesis.vpatch -- it will be immediately obvious to anyone who follows my audit recipe.
asciilifeform: picture you as the enemy. you control the fab. what is your next move ?
asciilifeform: ( it's a cpld, to be pedantic. )
asciilifeform: there aren't many smaller fpga sold than the 9572.
kanzure: notably annoying when setting the bitstream up
kanzure: are you willing to accept sufficiently shit fpgas? you can do something like massive buffering of the bitstream and then do analysis to check for known circuits in a lookup table :\.
asciilifeform: so that instead of the specified circuit, it instead does something different. and such that i and the buyers, do not immediately find out .
asciilifeform: kanzure: believe or not, i keep up with the literature. tell me how to boobytrap fpga.
asciilifeform: ( which expects, e.g., a TB output, known only to the auditor )
asciilifeform: takes 2 arbitrary waveforms, on the 2 input jacks, has nfi whether they come from the analogue boards that ship with the unit, or from audit machine.
kanzure: i forget what the response was to the response though... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14848708327718832242&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en
kanzure: no i don't have an answer, i just have peripheral knowledge of this type of attack, not specific masks to go attack RNGs
asciilifeform: consider, kanzure , let's say you're fuhrer of ftmeade. which transistor in the 9572 will you diddle, to undetectably sabotage FUCKGOATS.
asciilifeform: trinque: humour the man. maybe he learns something. ( maybe even -- we learn something )
asciilifeform: nfi what that is/was.
kanzure: are you about to start quoting galtse.cx to me
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << pertinent thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: kanzure: i've always wanted to discuss, with clueful folx, what specifically one ought to put in 'doping trojan' to sabotage an fpga
kanzure: anyway what was the goal, i thought it was established that circuit was insufficient, given doping layer trojans (yes there was a follow-up article but it was dumb)
asciilifeform: who promised that it will be 'nth dram cell' ?
kanzure: like errors when reading the nth dram cell matter
asciilifeform: ( would be spiffy tho. )
asciilifeform: i don't recall him ever going from micrograph to fpga bitstream format
kanzure: "oh no i'll have to figure out an acid bath" siliconpr0n.org guy seems to do it regularly
asciilifeform: presumably they had to pry apart the closed x86 floorplanner turds.
asciilifeform: kanzure: ask the folx who did the reversing, not me, why took so long.
asciilifeform: which means NO black boxes, NO ic for which i did not personally approve the gate layout, and NO c/cpp code anywhere inside, as well as machine arch which boundschecks all array accesses.
kanzure: why took so long for the black ice storm whatever clifford wolfyap fpga stuff?
asciilifeform: kanzure: 'nato-free' means, approximately, 'no place for nsa to hide'.
asciilifeform: as in, machine for cad, crypto, chitchat, breaking rsa, viewing pr0n, whichever it is that one does.
trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes ☟︎
asciilifeform: as in, the item on your desk
asciilifeform: trinque: the things that were not designed with fit-in-head, fit in NO head.
trinque: asciilifeform: it is because of the size of your head that the problem must fit in it, neh?
trinque: I still hold that wording it that way is ass-backwards.
asciilifeform: one that :
asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and yes, i am no stranger to buying surplus instruments. but they only SEEM cheap. what if you needed 25 of them ? or a guarantee that they continue to work for six months, without major interruption ? then welcome back to seven-figure list price. )
asciilifeform: fib is interesting to be strictly from home-fab pov
kanzure: infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( nuffin' wrong with that, i suppose, if you have infinite floor space )
kanzure: FIB was recently acquired, currently sitting in crate, needs to be uncrated at goon house
kanzure: yes i am not sure why everyone wants to obsess over 28nm these days.
kanzure: yea had to get a forklift to move this thing
asciilifeform: plenty of unsolved technical problems, of the 'yes, golden toilet from lockheed exists, but how about a human-priced version that pisses on patents and 'property''
kanzure: hplc in 2007 no that doesn't sound right. might have been someone else.
kanzure: that's not something 've been working on. so i'm not sure it merits surprise that i don't have one?
asciilifeform: electroporator is trivial, i can get surplus one or make own for a hundy
kanzure: do you mean the electroporator? which thing are you buying and why?
asciilifeform: so far i see only the page where i can read his noise
kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given ☟︎
asciilifeform: where is the www where i can order kanzure's physical product ?
kanzure: apparently you forgot the reason why i entered. i had a question and it has been answered ("nah we only do noise- it's intentional though, so it's okay to be worthless.")
asciilifeform: ( the flip side: if you don't deliver on schedule, might lose your head... but you WILL deliver, neh? 0
asciilifeform: visit pyongyang. moscow. betcha there are sane folx there, who will listen when you offer cheap laserdiode, microplate analytical box, etc
asciilifeform: take a fat, greasy shit right into the mouth of 'intellectual property', 'bioethics', misc. retardations.
asciilifeform: get out, to the free world.
asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: pro tip : piss on american patents, 'regulations', decrees.
asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc ☟︎
kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason. ☟︎
asciilifeform: can't say that i do
kanzure: do you know why the laser diodes are expensive?
asciilifeform: diode could take over in hobbyist niche, if 30W diode didn't cost same as 100W tube. ( 30w cutter is a toy, fit only for carving porn into wooden planks )
asciilifeform: ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but currently best bang for the buck, by order of magnitude.
asciilifeform: kanzure: there's ~infinite demand.
kanzure: this is sounding more and more like a market. there's even demand. hmm.
asciilifeform: ... if costs less than tube.
kanzure: i think generally we should prefer less breakable things; i'm not convinced that the non-tubes should be expensive.
asciilifeform: because diode -- still golden toilet.
asciilifeform: of course they exist. but q was 'why the hell still using tubes'
kanzure: right.. so they exist.
asciilifeform: my tube -- 300bux./
asciilifeform: there are . they're five-figures.
kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 1 item i'm still curious about, before the floor hatch opens to eject kanzure , is why the hell he is here
shinohai: This is a single achievement btw .... asciilifeform is responsible for `V` which I also consider a product.
asciilifeform: other than a usgcomplianceshitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:30 kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)
asciilifeform: so not sure what is the improvement, other than a slightly less-breakable setup.
asciilifeform: ( and it costs == to what my tube cost, and ~likewise~ needs water cooling. )
asciilifeform: kanzure: largest ir laserdiode i was able to find on nongoldentoilet market, is 30w.
deedbot: trinque rated kanzure -1 << No one here need prove himself to you.
trinque: !!rate kanzure -1 No one here need prove himself to you.
kanzure: like i said, this all seems like a bunch of noise. you're welcome to haphazardly flounce around but at least be honest with as much.
kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit) ☟︎
trinque: this sloppiness is not how threads go in the forum.
kanzure: interesting how you dismiss the possibility of "hand work" by some irc logs. i guess his equipment is totally fake, huh. (wtf?)
kanzure: prefering solid state lasers to co2 tubes is not a crime. but you're welcome to chase ancient tech.
kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator? ☟︎
asciilifeform: there's 50x moar gem material in that there linked log, but i will spare the reader.