asciilifeform: (which is a mighty spiffy thing!)

asciilifeform: iirc he was mainly bleeding to get his vtron up to par ?

asciilifeform: that is, folks agreeing to work on a same tree

asciilifeform: as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?

asciilifeform: but ~what~ does it make convenient ?

asciilifeform: aha, convenience.

asciilifeform: vs every man with own manually-curated tree

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a centralized thing! that an idiot one day could get to the wheel of !

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ??

asciilifeform: see thread

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111

asciilifeform: will be even more ungavin.

asciilifeform: why not we also hang upside-down while doing it.

asciilifeform: and yes, this is mega-decentralized and entirely unlike what gavin does and etc. etc.

asciilifeform: the machine - will not do it !

asciilifeform: that is, if we end up in the position where every developer has own tree, and mircea_popescu is not content to go, e.g., 'gimme what mod6 has' - then ~mircea_popescu~ will have to 'toil and trouble' and hand-merge ?

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411126 << does mircea_popescu fully understand that there is NO MACHINE MERGING in v ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: it is quite the same as 'we will abolish indoor spaces! no palaces, so there can be no thrones'

asciilifeform: but i say that the proposed method of achieving this, is rather primitive and by no means reliable.

asciilifeform: that a derp could one day sit down on.

asciilifeform: for there to not be any such thing as could resemble an 'update throne'

asciilifeform: but i see what he wants in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411191 say. ☝︎

asciilifeform: 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree.

asciilifeform: except - 1) he still have to get the actual contents of that thing somewhere

asciilifeform: now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'

asciilifeform: which is sorta like what we did before v.

asciilifeform: and hand-backport whenever these are to converge.

asciilifeform: and tentatively conclude that mircea_popescu wants everybody to have own vtree

asciilifeform: so i reread the mega-thread,

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411228 << sooo we have the long-awaited miner usgization ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^^ the only things you need to actually build it ^^

asciilifeform: currenly shiva is http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html ~~AND~~ http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html .

asciilifeform: and MUST DIE

asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED)

asciilifeform: the bridge, if applied, will turn the tinyscheme into the contents of the shiva subdir in shiva-part-1

asciilifeform: or rather, that link ~is~ tinyscheme-genesis

asciilifeform: in same link.

asciilifeform: the split was deliberate

asciilifeform: which necessarily does

asciilifeform: only shiva-part-2

asciilifeform: but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.

asciilifeform: you can in fact do this, by pressing the latter, and then the former

asciilifeform: it exists to ~demonstrate~ that shiva-tinyscheme was created from the tinyscheme-genesis

asciilifeform: the pedigree bridge isn't for pressing either.

asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.

asciilifeform: please throw out the old crud. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only. ☟︎

asciilifeform: just in.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform brb

asciilifeform: their ~children~ usg, yes

asciilifeform: i see no evidence for this.

asciilifeform: not machine

asciilifeform: its a people difference though

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411288 ☝︎

asciilifeform: and can't entirely move to separate planets

asciilifeform: on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody stops mircea_popescu from living in a private universe.

asciilifeform: patches depend on previous patches.

asciilifeform: say - where !

asciilifeform: the patch set must physically come from somewhere.

asciilifeform: and there is not nor cannot be a guarantee that you can go from names to build automagically

asciilifeform: nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times.

asciilifeform: we know that mircea_popescu likes beating, but you will not make a horse fly by extra-strong beating

asciilifeform: sorry.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411199 << this is dwim. ☝︎

asciilifeform: did this, and mod6 had to redo it all

asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch ☟︎

asciilifeform: the central repository thing is ultra-broken

asciilifeform: for now local disk

asciilifeform: and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.

asciilifeform: NO to ANY networking code in v!

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411204 << this is what i said all along ☝︎

asciilifeform: and threatened to take up cvs or whatnot savagery

asciilifeform: i wrote v because mircea_popescu and hanbot cried

asciilifeform: hey if you recall, this was actually goodenuff for me

asciilifeform: phf: you don't need vtron for this, go use bare hands

asciilifeform: i intended this originally

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that would work

asciilifeform: but this must be made to work.

asciilifeform: jurov: nfi

asciilifeform: while looking at the graph

asciilifeform: think for a minute.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do you want the motherfuckng db lock fix omitted from your build?!

asciilifeform: ergo useless.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: breaks parallel leaves

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: and work in channel.

asciilifeform: ideally patch hopper oughta deedbot also.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: that arm looks familiar...

asciilifeform: where do i put a patch so that everybody ~immediately~ sees it ?

asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it has to come from somewhere.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set ☟︎

asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i have maybe a dozen things i ought to sign

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410879 << this is urgently needed ☝︎

asciilifeform: gotta nail down the workingset used.