asciilifeform: 'i'm still someone'

asciilifeform: he puts on the play for himself?

asciilifeform: i can see it.

asciilifeform: have seen the abstract fact of bum with phone, yes

asciilifeform: 'veblen good' ?

asciilifeform: .

asciilifeform: what they are

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwut

asciilifeform: to the extent 'physical coin' is a mechanism for storing actual coin, vs mere decoration, it is a Bad Idea.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: the buffer has to be a certain length...

asciilifeform: they got this 'studiously ignore' thing going on, tho

asciilifeform: ;;google alphago bet

asciilifeform: dated feb 8.

asciilifeform: 'I have one bet on at 2:3 against AlphaGo winning against Sedol in March - they get my $667 if AlphaGo wins, I get their $1000 if AlphaGo loses. Does anyone else like those odds? (They originally offered me $1000 to $1500 and I've decided that I regret not taking the full amount.) EDIT: Have reached current betting capacity on Sedol at $1500 to $2250, others may still be taking bets.' << the whole thing.

asciilifeform: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10153941386639228

asciilifeform: in other lulz, looked for discussion of the alphago bet, and found ...

asciilifeform: then you : could simply equal '

asciilifeform: thing needs readermacros

asciilifeform: ah.

asciilifeform: hm.

asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that this was already there, selectably

asciilifeform: share?

asciilifeform: phf: very neat, and exactly what i wanted!

asciilifeform can see it

asciilifeform: for the taste

asciilifeform: iirc also goblets ?

asciilifeform: hell, romans.

asciilifeform: quite.

asciilifeform: which is largely true.

asciilifeform: well not as such. but he very much saw it as something ~not~ created by teenagers in mother's basement

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: for him, quality proggy is something created at a company, by experts, for money.

asciilifeform: naggum was an old-worlder. in the very specific sense of taleb et al

asciilifeform: not even hands, just an arse sliding around, inscribing in fecal ink.

asciilifeform: it is a braindamaged model of computation that breeds fractal braindamage throughout.

asciilifeform: c machine is an exquisite study in what 'broken concept' actually means in practice.

asciilifeform: these are not actually separate, causally

asciilifeform: and certainly not protocol.

asciilifeform: the promises made by a c machine are false promises.

asciilifeform: but you do.

asciilifeform: and get a different do...

asciilifeform: otherwise you might cat /dev/random > /dev/mem

asciilifeform: this 'never do' exists only if you burn into rom and then pour concrete around it.

asciilifeform: how so?

asciilifeform: and read.

asciilifeform: then again he did pay for src licenses

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: naggum also suffered from a kind of garden of eden innocence in re: that he never once showed any sign of understanding sabotage

asciilifeform: it is only possible to understand what naggum said if one is familiar with clos.

asciilifeform: http://www.visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html << moar for old thread re: same.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: we don't use tls for anything, nor ever intend to.

asciilifeform: the 'why' of this is best illustrated by the heartbleed incident.

asciilifeform: of all dependencies.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: we permenently froze specific versions.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: know of any specific reason why we oughta use a newer one ?

asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=release << broken ?

asciilifeform: !up Jacmet

asciilifeform: !s bob beck

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2015#1335360 << more ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407023 << thread. ☝︎

asciilifeform: as happened with, famously, openbsd.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: if you open a nonprofit org, esp. in usa, you will be surrounding yourself with, and eventually giving control over various aspects of the project, to people who do not work in good faith.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: i dare say that linux is only meaningfully alive today in the form of buildroot.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't seem to find it in the logz

asciilifeform: and here we are.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: the background: i originally picked up buildroot to do an arm system build for an obscure box. and then discovered that it is also the only practical means of compiling with musl instead of glibc, for any system

asciilifeform: as would i.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: i unfortunately do not have it presently.

asciilifeform: but most recently, today

asciilifeform: digging for it now

asciilifeform: consider this a report.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: and some folks have downloaded tarballs that don't pass checksum.

asciilifeform: Jacmet: as you probably know, buildroot is a coveted boobytrap target for 1,001 miscreants of various stripes.

asciilifeform: been working splendidly for nearly a year.

asciilifeform: ahahaha

asciilifeform: 'if all you have is Unix, certain problems are so staggeringly tall that it takes an extra special genius to see what the _real_ problem is because all the people who are trying to climb it make it look as if doing something else is stupid.' << naggum delivers.

asciilifeform: ah l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that

asciilifeform: best h0stn4m3

asciilifeform: '... where everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you are thinking of 'turing tarpit'

asciilifeform: nah more like 'i need a bipedal mammal'

asciilifeform: but if you have one, let's.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lacking a rigorously narrower complexity class, i am stuck with tc

asciilifeform: and no one will read.

asciilifeform: the language is gargantuan, just enough parser to ~compile~ is likely to take you a decade to write.

asciilifeform: but the last time i asked for one, no one found any other than 'clang'.

asciilifeform: jurov: you are welcome to try parsing cpp, it would be a pretty useful proggy incidentally

asciilifeform: and it isn't even as slim as it could be.

asciilifeform: and it can do it.

asciilifeform: tinyscheme fits in head.

asciilifeform: sure they do.

asciilifeform: remember 'fits in head' ?

asciilifeform: because it is HEAVY

asciilifeform: jurov: do you know why not ?

asciilifeform: what of it.

asciilifeform: a pig is eating its own shit.

asciilifeform: and somewhere, probably not too far from each of us,

asciilifeform: betcha somebody's very busy stuffing the winblowz crud back in, for instance.