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gabriel_laddel: shit catch up with them and we end up where we are today - nothing works and everyone insists that it does because they've bought into
a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and
a very poor premise", thank you, will update.
gabriel_laddel: s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like to have
a plug-and-play solution for going about their work. There is money to be made here. Afaik the only way to get there is: 1. revert to paper 2. teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose
a language, add AST traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu
gabriel_laddel: Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL. I realize that this isn't
a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev
gabriel_laddel: e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like
a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and
a very poor premise. << I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th
gabriel_laddel: story time: I ran into loper-os after
a stint programming clojure as
a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Though I'll note the "chasing
a better world
a dollar at
a time" makes
a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit.
gabriel_laddel: This model is bizzare. So if I'm
a capitalist I should make money to purchase that which does not exist?
gabriel_laddel: "he;s
a capitalist not
a metaphysicist. " << I don't understand how this follows
mircea_popescu: so he spends his life chasing the world that doesn't suck,
a dollar at
a time.
mircea_popescu: 1. world sucks ; 2. capitalist would pay any sum for
a world that doesn't suck ; 3. sadly that world doesn't exist ; 4. but the capitalist simply presumes it exists, and it's for sale for the money he has + 1
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for
a sane computer.
mircea_popescu: i thought you had bills in arrears. how would you pay
a 10k bill ?
gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for
a computing environment that doesn't waste my time.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite
a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Mathematica makes money, people say the exact same things about their software "I have lived in
a...", but their product is braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: (historically this is the EXACT contribution of the artist to the world, your "I have lived in
a river of shit my entire life" or as jourdain put it, "i had no idea i was talking in prose".)
gabriel_laddel: I took an early demo (long before I discovered CLIM) to large company X, demonstrated all the information I could collect, that I could write lessons integrated into the whole desktop environment. This company has the sneaking suspicion that people sort of dick around during the onboarding process and there is
a huge variation in how long people ta
mircea_popescu: but w/e, im
a bad example. suppose for someone it matters, and it saves them 10 billion pula.
mircea_popescu: well, i don't code much, so it's unlikely to make much difference to me. but in any case, this is how
a good joke goes, or
a good book. good books don't make much money.
gabriel_laddel: and you'll say something similar to trinque "I have lived in
a river of shit my entire life"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive to just wait until you use it (or even
a select codebase like CLIM)
gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to
a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision
a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.
gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << I'm not envisioning
a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when they use software, never question foundational abstractions. I can hack lisp, but cannot hack the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going to be writing code it should be in
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 19:58:13; ben_vulpes: "Regular expressions cannot respect
a language's syntax (detect false positives short
a full parser)" << this strikes me as
a special case of the "cannot simulate
a universe without
a universe" claim.
BingoBoingo: White people had
a big gunfight in Texas over the weekend without civilian casualties and now everyone derps about big bad biker gangs
mircea_popescu: "how many lcd screens do you get by adding seven oranges to
a bucket of water ?" "8"
mircea_popescu:
a : user B, because his PMT are cars, whereas user
A's PMTs are empty cherio wrappers.
mircea_popescu: politicomathsocioscience 101 for the new generation : let there be user
A who has 43 positive meaningless ticks and 22 negative meaningless ticks ; and user B who has 12 PMT and 17 NMT. who would win in
a fight between homer simpson and
a himalayan sherpa ?
mircea_popescu: that is
a very different statement from the statement you're actually making.
mircea_popescu: "From this point forward it is assumed you have set aside some time to learn Masamune and need no justification for as to why any particular abstraction has been chosen." << so is this
a cult then ?
gabriel_laddel: The 20 number isn't
a hard limit by any means, and I suppose I should change it because I pulled it out of my arse.
gabriel_laddel: well,
a software development team has different dynamics
mircea_popescu: see, this is the golden rule of magic numbers : if you use one and then need context to indentify it, you've misused
a magic number.
mircea_popescu: are you in like
a public library in guatemala or something
gabriel_laddel: I've been broke for like
a year, working on that which interests me so that I can make large sums of money rather than the 70-100k/yr you get programming. Also, money is just
a system for communicating ideas about value - if one has value it can be turned into money and vice versa.
gribble: Error: ";" is not
a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;; communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and
a very poor premise.
mircea_popescu: "i've had cancer for like
a year now". good for you but eventually it'll kill ya.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you know someone in the SF Bay area who would throw me
a computer, that would be tight.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: need to find
a box to hack the install proc on
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Demanded fans every ~14-16 months on nigbuntu and nao wants to move to
a 6 month schedule on OpenBSD
BingoBoingo: So, as of
a few hours ago this laptop is nao on its 4th cooling fan.
decimation: how much chromium you gonna pick up from
a stainless pot?
BingoBoingo: Oh, but countertop quartz, are you expecting
a single piece? Most nao are chip and epoxy abominations unless you beat the greek (stone people are almost always greek) appropriately
BingoBoingo: Even birch is useful if you want to build
a brownwater vessel
BingoBoingo: Also countertops, just fuck it. Granite bleeds radon and marble stains. Just install block and sand, then replace in
a decade.
decimation: I'm
a sucker for
a large stately sycamore tree
BingoBoingo: My biggest annoyance at this phase of the summer's landscaping gigs is actually hickory. Lives forever, quality wood... but... The squirrels plant it. It lays low for
a couple years and then zoom towards the heavens.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's
a couple of older birch trees near here. Exceptional because... don't look much like the other birches.
decimation:
http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/nicholas_vincen.html < "The myth, even as early as the 12th century, that the English are freeborn people--it's
a load of nonsense; they come from Troy; they are the exiles from ancient Troy defeated by the Greeks: they go off and they found this kingdom of England from which they eventually get
a king called Arthur. But they are
a freedom-loving people. They live under liberty and freedom. Of
BingoBoingo: It's just... really hard to trust
a tree that struggles to live twice as long as
a dog
BingoBoingo: And poplars too have
a purpose. If you are otherwise broke, have rain, and really want firewood for next winter...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno hitchiker whores can make it to 40 and become settled whores unless they roll
a Ted Bundy
trinque: it does, the in-group signaling thing makes
a lot of sense too though, and furthermore that things you can only say in your in-group are the best signals
mircea_popescu: now, the "kill men" bla bla is exactly this :
a forced jew meme for that particular subculture.
mircea_popescu: trinque the jew part i really can't explain. but
a forced meme is what cancerous fags do when they try to create
a meme. which is EXACTLY like what idiot kids do when they "create exchange", but exactly. ignorance so ignorant it doesn't grok why it's being ignorant but thinks itself clever.
trinque: but there's
a specific blend of queer and self-destructive I've met enough times to know it's
a thing
BingoBoingo: trinque: Homosexuality is
a thing.
A number of people do it with
a strong irreplacable preferance and given the roster that includes turing it isn't
a thing to demonize.
trinque: that's
a very particular reckless suicidality
mircea_popescu: "shut up bitch. for
a thousand dollars i make my own holes."
mircea_popescu: he does this for
a while, eventually
a less scrupulous owner takes his thousand
mircea_popescu: guy goes into mining town with
a thousand dollars in gold.
trinque: the psychology of some of these people just says "couldn't pull the trigger, didn't even have
a gun"
trinque wonders if there's such
a thing as reproductive suicide, biologically speaking
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the people pushing the trans/cis thing largely aren't women. They are some large women and some men who have modified their sex to
a null state.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I had
a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today << I dunno why trans would label their opposition cis- because when talking isomers... transgeometric isomers tend to be poisonous, or at least less supporting of continued life than cis isomers.
mircea_popescu: in
a land which had biomass growth pedal to the floor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i suspect
a large number of the rapemeat, aka sjws, actually masturbate, at least mentally, to the idea of them being blind from birth street urchin sexually abused on
a constant basis.
trinque: I had
a few lols today investigating the #diecisscum and #killallwhitemen things today
mircea_popescu: next best thing to no body at all being,
a vague body which "might have been"
mircea_popescu: at which point the fantasy of magical body exchanges is, like the armchair generalship of you know, running mpex from the forum,
a very natural escape.