asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? ' ☟︎

asciilifeform: '... why should, say, Emacs depend on dbus? '

asciilifeform: 'Most of those are conditional dependencies (useflag ? ...), and I checked and all of those with dbus ? sys-apps/dbus) have -dbus or no dbus at all in the output of emerge -p. But if I try and check dependencies on those that do depend on dbus...: ...it appears that if gtk+ with useflag X can't work without accessibility/at-spi2-atk ...'

asciilifeform: 'Somebody seems to have been joking with portage, and not in a nice way (maybe they aim at hurting the feelings of some pizza delivery guy, because that's not illegal like hurting animals)... '

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you get him in here somehow ?? ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://www.croatiafidelis.hr << herr rovis himself.

asciilifeform: by the author of https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7558880.html#7558880

asciilifeform: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html << fascinating read

asciilifeform: and apparently emacs will no longer build without it.

asciilifeform: (gentoo docs)

asciilifeform: 'Even without adding D-Bus to the default runlevel it often will get started by D-Bus dependent services. This should explain why D-Bus mysteriously gets started even though it has not been added formally added to a system runlevel.'

asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9816994 << l0ltr0n

asciilifeform: 'Basically I've accepted a life without physical friends, except family.'

asciilifeform: 'My laptop is a Thinkpad x60 running the LibreBoot bios and Debian GNU/Linux, it overheats alot, especially when viewing Star Trek outtakes of Captain Picard. It survives though, even at 90 Celsius... It should die, but it's strong.'

asciilifeform: https://www.aspiescentral.com/threads/hello.13236

asciilifeform: l0l and randomly looking for this, found something that could be straight out of mircea_popescu's zoo,

asciilifeform: as it dies in the first 20 min. of setup, during the very first compiles

asciilifeform: or the idiocy would have become immediately apparent

asciilifeform: namely, that they do not actually use linux (i.e. gentoo) on their boxes

asciilifeform: this immediately tells me something about the authors

asciilifeform: and hopes for the best.

asciilifeform: libreboot just sort of runs it at mid-rpm at all times. ☟︎

asciilifeform: at least your fans ~work~

asciilifeform: (at 50% cpu utilization)

asciilifeform: woah that thing runs at 80c.

asciilifeform: this is not tolerable.

asciilifeform: i draw the line at 'randomly crashes during compiles'

asciilifeform: but srsly wtf.

asciilifeform: it often helps.

asciilifeform: at some point (not any time soon, i've elementarily no time) i will replace the thermal paste in the x60 with industrial diamond

asciilifeform: dual gpu boxes will never work, don't even bother.

asciilifeform: i would have said 'there is a less atrocious machine, the legendary x60' but now i WON'T ...

asciilifeform: what rubbish.

asciilifeform: go and gentoo on that.

asciilifeform: ick

asciilifeform: what is the use of the box without these parts ?

asciilifeform: phf: what is even the point? why not throw whole thing in the trash ?

asciilifeform: 'almost everything' being, e.g., what ?

asciilifeform: eliminated how ?

asciilifeform: phun phakt, the x60's original bios has 'computrace' infection, though this is mentioned nowhere in the docs, nor in the original 'bios setup' (normally, they do.)

asciilifeform: and people just live with this.

asciilifeform: plus there is apparently no remnant of doubt that coreboot (aka linuxbios) does not properly handle the variable cpu clock thing, nor the fan controller

asciilifeform: the original card heats, yes. new - no.

asciilifeform: and fucking hate idiots.

asciilifeform: and i own an ir thermometer.

asciilifeform: its a motherfucking laptop.

asciilifeform: but yes, i use it.

asciilifeform: i threw the intel wifi in the trash and installed atheros.

asciilifeform: flea as in fleadom.

asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/bejaranodelgado/status/589634676093943808 << cargocult idiots.

asciilifeform: etc.

asciilifeform: and the miscellaneous (e.g., ai lab) legends.

asciilifeform: punkman: the history of emacs and gcc

asciilifeform: https://www.mail-archive.com/trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info/msg46322.html << aaaaaaaand apparently i am not the only one to notice.

asciilifeform: it is pretty much all he has.

asciilifeform: punkman: you cannot 'be rms' without the history

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: when confronted with the idea that his life's work is an utter failure, man tends to wander into some very peculiar corners.

asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ?

asciilifeform: i am no longer sure that this is true.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process ☟︎

asciilifeform: and, again, this is not something that happens normally.

asciilifeform: solid cu.

asciilifeform: (explicitly admitted to in the docs, but somehow 'this doesn't matter')

asciilifeform: almost certainly because the compatibility was a bold-faced lie, and the cpu 'frequency scaling' thing doesn't work.

asciilifeform: cpu overheats when building gentoo.

asciilifeform: it is unusable.

asciilifeform: 'thinkpad x60' with libreboot and replacement ('atheros') nic

asciilifeform: i recently built what i believe is an exact replica of rms's laptop

asciilifeform: soooo in other nyooz,

asciilifeform: bitwise ?

asciilifeform: same one ?

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing

asciilifeform: (on what wwwtrons)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say at least where you actually saw the highlight thing ~work~

asciilifeform: try and at least persuade him to post his readelf binary.

asciilifeform: wtf even is that

asciilifeform: but at any rate, if indeed 'readelf opened the game', this is a discovery and ought to be reproduced.

asciilifeform: srsly i have six boxes here with 6 browsers and not one.

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: HIGHLIGHTING DOES NOT WORK

asciilifeform: nm, found with manual grep

asciilifeform: the highlight.

asciilifeform: oh for fucks sake

asciilifeform: let's have it ?

asciilifeform: not as printed on the box, at least!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, why?!

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1417816 << now i ~really~ would like to know where hdbuck got it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: molz: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com

asciilifeform: molz: and who might you be ?

asciilifeform: !up molz

asciilifeform: spamatron, searched for open 802.11.

asciilifeform: some electric tea kettles were found to be 50g overweight each at customs.

asciilifeform: the teapot case.

asciilifeform: punkman: ancient news

asciilifeform: !up adlai

asciilifeform: like all insecta

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think ddosers live on six feet.

asciilifeform: am i thick?

asciilifeform: since when do we particularly need to ddos anybody..?

asciilifeform: a 'technical problem' is simply shorthand for problem where the solution is extremely well-defined. e.g., wire is broken, does not conduct, telegraph does not go. solution is technical - mend wire.