asciilifeform: i have nfi if it even was an actual woman.

asciilifeform: and wow, that name was buried in the nethermost depths of my skull before this convo.

asciilifeform: (the ultimate thermonuclear version of this is to ~randomly generate~ a cpu arch, instantiate on an fpga ~and generate a compiler~, and compile for THAT! and i was very sad as a student to discover that one cristina cifuentes invented this long before i did)

asciilifeform: this is in some ways a personal choice.

asciilifeform: gotta decide how much ddt you want to spray in your living room.

asciilifeform: it isn't ~wrong~, merely annoying.

asciilifeform: sure is.

asciilifeform: but this is simply yet another way for mosquitoes to win.

asciilifeform: yes, no mosquitoes.

asciilifeform: this is only a good thing in the sense that spraying ddt in every room of your house is.

asciilifeform: wai wut, openbsd has no stable abi at all ?!!!

asciilifeform: the idea is to categorically cut off the very possibility of drepper existing.

asciilifeform: now rotor is not ~quite~ as necessary on bsd, because drepper is absent there. BUT we still need deterministic nailed-down toolchain, esp. for when we finally do the deterministic binary thing.

asciilifeform: but no one, to date - rotor.

asciilifeform: phf had stator on bsd.

asciilifeform: iirc he was named benkay in those days.

asciilifeform: not all, ben_vulpes was here before me.

asciilifeform: (adlai ?) ☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: iirc several people did

asciilifeform: i.e. places where definitionally one ought not shit.

asciilifeform: 'don't shit in the kitchen' is valid, despite different folks having different kinds of kitchen

asciilifeform: depends.

asciilifeform: this is spiffy, but closed source crud belongs in a specially-designated leprosorium (malware box, or at least, if you like living dangerously, a vm) rather than on naked civilian box !

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: or does idea do other langs now

asciilifeform: how is that not slaving in a java mine ?

asciilifeform used 'idea' as a student, many years ago.

asciilifeform: phf: l0l! are you slaving in a java mine ?!

asciilifeform: hay mas futuro!

asciilifeform: and, originally, i picked up buildroot to make pogotron.

asciilifeform: thinkaboutit.

asciilifeform: from derplinux to ideallinux.

asciilifeform: well we cross-compile.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418499 << we abuse it... ☝︎

asciilifeform: there may be other ways to achieve this, e.g., a bsd 'jail'

asciilifeform: 2) GUARANTEE that a build pulls in NOTHING from outside.

asciilifeform: we need a thing that will 1) let us 'vendor' gcc and the WHOLE toolchain

asciilifeform: understand why i went with buildroot.

asciilifeform: (recall, we're not building a kernel with it, only the toolchain)

asciilifeform: buildroot, theoretically, ought to work on bsd.

asciilifeform: phf, is there one ?

asciilifeform: i don't recall a ~rotor~ trb working there.

asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: no remote exploits for it !1111

asciilifeform: i have a brick here that also did pretty well.

asciilifeform: kernel exploit is not usually a remote but more privesc thing, anyway

asciilifeform: trinque: 'want something changed' is not the right description for granary full of mouse shit.

asciilifeform: because there is not another granary.

asciilifeform: and we (or at least i) are still baking bread from it.

asciilifeform: only mouse shit.

asciilifeform: and there is scarcely any grain at all to be found there.

asciilifeform: the mice have been in the granary for... 20 yrs ?

asciilifeform: we don't actually have a kernel that isn't fully, certifiably porous.

asciilifeform: i'm beginning to understand why the enemy is not particularly scared of trb.

asciilifeform: wtf is the point.

asciilifeform: that'd be merely gentoo without portage.

asciilifeform: ah

asciilifeform: lfs ?

asciilifeform: phf: well yes, but the result is usually that the compile barfs

asciilifeform: l0l i thought you had his complete worx cached.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a kgb golem, and this is amply documented.

asciilifeform: y'know, the one in http://perception-point.io/2016/01/14/analysis-and-exploitation-of-a-linux-kernel-vulnerability-cve-2016-0728 .

asciilifeform: phun phakt, seems like 'genkernel' won't allow you to disable flag SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYRING .

asciilifeform: as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923509 ☝︎

asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb

asciilifeform: at any rate, even orwell had his fingers on it

asciilifeform: (into some monstrously happy/dopy/cooperative beast)

asciilifeform: yudkowsky, of all people, wrote some story where there was a planet where they learned to make fusion device with ancient greek level tech. and the survivers evolved. into something strange.

asciilifeform: i'll take the lifeless crater, plox.

asciilifeform: ~they~ see it.

asciilifeform: i can see hitler and dulles nodding to one another, 'yeah it'll be better to create a planet of castrated zombies'

asciilifeform: since '53 or whenever ulam realized that you don't actually need the fissile firecracker.

asciilifeform: quite possibly everything else that usg does is preparation for this exam.

asciilifeform: and it won't cost much, either.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: on other hand, nobody can resist asking the question.

asciilifeform: anywhere.

asciilifeform: on one hand, it is the last thing a lizard wants to see appear.

asciilifeform: usg has an interesting relationship with the thing

asciilifeform: (i.e. thermonuke that doesn't require a fissile initiator, ergo no need for refining U)

asciilifeform: the laser thing is really the quest for the 'clean thermonuke' in disguise.

asciilifeform: the 'hot' folks managed to strangle the 'cold' for the usg pig trough fight, yes.

asciilifeform: both have delusions of '+ev any day now'.

asciilifeform: well there are two schools of fusion crackpottery, the 'hot' (tokamak, but really is just refinement of hbomb codes) and 'cold'.

asciilifeform: whack palladium deuteride with hammer.

asciilifeform: you can also cold fuse right now.

asciilifeform: the boojum is ~ +EV fusion ~.

asciilifeform: (see, e.g., farnsworth's device)

asciilifeform: you can go and fuse in your kitchen right now.

asciilifeform: also fusion is very much the wrong term.

asciilifeform: the difference between 'needs moar engineering' and charlatanry that can absorb $trillion with not a blip of result ?

asciilifeform: it was where transmutation was in 1500.

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform: the tree question is approx. where rocketry was in 1930.

asciilifeform: i can't personally, with own hands, put a satellite in orbit, either.

asciilifeform: ( strategist )

asciilifeform: whose profession it is.

asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu ?

asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu misunderstood, i have no intention of pretending that the inexpressable distinction does not exist. merely stating that i am not equipped to deal in it.