asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: no such thing.

asciilifeform: which is ~same as nfi.

asciilifeform: but no resource.

asciilifeform: or rather i have quite fi

asciilifeform: nfi.

asciilifeform: which was his privilege.

asciilifeform: now mircea_popescu opened scuttling valve.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we had a rusty old boat. it was pathetic and barely floated, but it was a boat.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i read whole thing, and cannot even begin to count the necessary barf buckets.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja miss all the schelling point threads?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: oh how i hated that thing

asciilifeform: no need to read.

asciilifeform: everyone can just look out the window and see the black sky.

asciilifeform: this is like asking how to cover meteor.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yer a bit early for the gotterdammerung. give it time.

asciilifeform: the problem is that bees also pollinate.

asciilifeform: and so - ddt.

asciilifeform: aha. when the bees stop making honey, they are no longer valuable livestock, but just annoying vermin.

asciilifeform: has not been built.

asciilifeform: which is why every old officer wakes up screamng now and then, and recalculates, again and again

asciilifeform: 'know i did nothng wrong'

asciilifeform: this is given to no one.

asciilifeform: so i can l0llate.

asciilifeform: and anyway i predicted in '13 when first showed up here.

asciilifeform: hey if i knew how to fly a dirigible, i'd be flyin.

asciilifeform: mp calls artillery strike on own position. takes cover in bunker. the rest of tmsr - in ???.

asciilifeform: afaik everyone knew this?

asciilifeform: which is all they want.

asciilifeform: the escape hatch from toiletpaper weimarworld closes.

asciilifeform: the enemies of sound money are uncorking champagne today.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422950 << so am i thick, or what did nsa even want if not for mircea_popescu to go long on fiat? ☝︎

asciilifeform: (counting only mine)

asciilifeform: ~30 to date.

asciilifeform: i want my 10 seconds back.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i stopped reading at 'Any good solution in this space must also preserve the large investments many miners have made and are planning to make in their equipment.' and the swimming pool photo (??!)

asciilifeform bbl, heard that the ants in the kitchen are having a conference, and wouldn't mind if he attended to 'add his voice'

asciilifeform: do they also wonder why mircea_popescu won't come.

asciilifeform: porn-making conf in teheran ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: does fluffypony also go to winemaking conferences in riyadh ?

asciilifeform: kick to your heart's content.

asciilifeform: guess what, i have no puppy.

asciilifeform: except perhaps in the 'you kicked my puppy so i'll kick yours' sense ?

asciilifeform: not even related ?

asciilifeform: because it could.

asciilifeform: where 'no one could possibly break' unless 'special case', which, guess what, reliably happened.

asciilifeform: whole thing is quite reminiscent of tor.

asciilifeform: now there is ~at least one~ special case to think about, whereas before there were none.

asciilifeform: spoonful of shit in barrel of wine.

asciilifeform: fwiw.

asciilifeform: this is my verdict.

asciilifeform: ring signature adds an astonishing amount of complexity, for dubious gain.

asciilifeform: as t-->+inf - YES.

asciilifeform: fluffypony: if i'm, e.g., bitbet, and ROUTINELY reveal outputs, the chance is 100%.

asciilifeform: this is the thing about fancy schemes, apparently i'm an evil terrorist for thinking 17 steps ahead instead of the apparently assumed 1 or 2.

asciilifeform: and so now i'm stuck having to juggle pots of own coin to maintain this so-called auto anonymity ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: and here we get to the boojum.

asciilifeform: for another tx

asciilifeform: and when those outputs in turn become inputs ?

asciilifeform: so if you reveal your connection with whatever inputs, you have given non-negligible info to the enemy.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: with different mechanism ?

asciilifeform: or what, this is a new one ?

asciilifeform: the last time we had this thread !

asciilifeform: i did.

asciilifeform: srsly i am tired of the crypto abuse.

asciilifeform: if 'ring signature' means what shamir meant by it, than it is not 'negligible.'

asciilifeform: and what does this do to the anonymity of your other transactions ?

asciilifeform: ugh

asciilifeform: say, because you want to actually get the thing you were paying for ?

asciilifeform: and if you want to prove that a particular tx was yours ?

asciilifeform: and does not protect against any serious actor.

asciilifeform: there is nothing magic about it.

asciilifeform: ring signature just lets you 'one of keys k1,k2,...kn COULD HAVE signed this.'

asciilifeform: want to.

asciilifeform: imho the notion is misguided. existing bitcoin can work this way if one wants it to. but, e.g., bitbet, DOES NOT

asciilifeform: i know of at least 3 'dark coin' schemes, each of dubious cryptographic foundation, for 'nonpublic tx'

asciilifeform: and even if it were so, it does not help bitbet, which ~already~ could 'prevent miners from blocking tx' IF it chose to keep them secret, but pointedly DOES NOT WANT ☟︎

asciilifeform: gimme the theorem.

asciilifeform: but where is the proof ?

asciilifeform: this is the claim.

asciilifeform: and what are the boundary conditions ?

asciilifeform: fluffypony: solve how ? ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: or, rather, the folks to whom it is interesting, are already doing it.

asciilifeform: it is, imho, uninteresting.

asciilifeform: and fuck goats.

asciilifeform: if i want this, i can go to kandahar.

asciilifeform: 8th c. state-of-the-art.

asciilifeform: or rather, how is this not a throwback to manually-cranked hawala.

asciilifeform: punkman: interesting how ?

asciilifeform: and megatonnes of other misc. retardation.

asciilifeform: punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2014#685870 ☝︎

asciilifeform: (with their magic bitfields, etc.)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the one thing i will say for certain is that the moving parts gotta be ~number-theoretical~ entities, rather than idiot protocol-promise goop

asciilifeform: punkman: iirc we already had

asciilifeform: if you want to plow a field, what would you rather have? two strong oxen? or 4294967296 cockroaches.

asciilifeform: ditto address-generation from mining. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: quite possibly cutting mining apart from transacting was a design error. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as quoted by danielpbarron

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see last night's thread