asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, turks carried on a healthy, 'asiatic' sort of unbureaucratized barbarism for quite some time - witness how well they got on, for how long, without banks, for instance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really, no. turks, at least at their height, quite solidly had 'fuhrerprinzip' - all officials, incl. vizir, personal slaves of sultan.
asciilifeform: it certainly added up to a coherent whole, at least once you cut away the obscurantist armour.
asciilifeform: or does mircea_popescu read it to learn how to actually produce philosopher's stone.
asciilifeform: i meant, live interest, vs archaeological.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: pointedly an example of the ~current~ crud
asciilifeform: and is in fact just what the doctor ordered.
asciilifeform: for this, the 'artificial A-student' suffices.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the root of the matter is an elementary thing. google et al are deeply disinterested in cognition etc. but are paid for specific thing - solving the problem of usg needing an automated gestapo.
asciilifeform: damn what is happening to my terminal
asciilifeform: is bulldozer better than man with shovel ?
asciilifeform: but as far as i'm concerned, it began and ended with eurisko.
asciilifeform: i've been interested in ~actual~ machine cognition for pretty much my whole adult life
asciilifeform: because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity
asciilifeform: i've been interested in ~actual~ machine cognition for pretty much my whole adult life
asciilifeform: because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity
asciilifeform: so you get a box that sorta, most of the time, does X, but 1) sometimes fails spectacularly for no apparent reason, as if 'alive' and 2) teaches the builder ~absolutely nothing~ useful about X
asciilifeform: but neither admitting any element of euriskoism
asciilifeform: typified by 'connectionism' (nn) and 'machine learning' (elaborate application of statistical heuristics)
asciilifeform: other - brute force, or sometimes 'meat emulation'
asciilifeform: i.e. attempting to get to the bottom of what thought process ~is~, in a meaningful way
asciilifeform: one, typified by d. lenat's proggy 'eurisko' (see logs, i posted his s333kr1t paperz once) was of the sane sort
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there were once two schools of thought re: how to do 'ai'☟︎
