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mircea_popescu: as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
mircea_popescu: the costs go to the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit, that's the fucking point of advertising to consumers.
mircea_popescu: ~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
mircea_popescu: obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got to lose ? costs 0 for him.
mircea_popescu: "Bobby Lee (n. San Diego, California, 17 de septiembre de 1972), es un actor y comediante estadounidense". mkay.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.pgp.-1:03a52b052a85fd5c2db64a8c3c246194af63db19e1c77048045f7077602e6f15
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.petertodd.-1:6215861df810e25c971f9be4c49a19e89ca1076647faa992dc03014663b0e207
mircea_popescu: !rate petertodd -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bluematt.-1:e5351e13fcfcf737a1944692afd5b18ff3da8f9f5ab758e6dc9ab246f4ecbbe1
mircea_popescu: !rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.
mircea_popescu: no idea who the fuck uses any of that crap anyway, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are to be negrated on sight.
mircea_popescu: Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter Todd, Kang Xie,
mircea_popescu: alrighty then, for the n-th fucking time, this blabla.
mircea_popescu: the zombie world entirely exists out of that iota less.
mircea_popescu: laugh if you will, laugh if you must, do what must be done and not an iota less.
mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it hastabe. there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish, to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line
mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now : list of nodes necessarily maintains some sort of portion of alt-universe.
mircea_popescu: guy tries to find the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit, then tries to make friends with the people and put his fucking code in, to FORCE it upon the fucking userbase.
mircea_popescu: CONTRARY to this sane process, in the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,
mircea_popescu: or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs that.
mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: depends how good the fucking was. a) is more discrete.
mircea_popescu: the girl, upon visiting, notices this, likes the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.
mircea_popescu: he decides he wants to add three lines of code to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write those lines of code, sign them, add his own sig in the wot and voila.
mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: actually ben_vulpes it occurs to me, maybe the following description of final state is helpful :
mircea_popescu: yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you to live longer than the road there.
mircea_popescu: you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not the end of the world.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?
mircea_popescu: do understand that it is simply not acceptable in new things.
mircea_popescu: i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
mircea_popescu: mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.
mircea_popescu: but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.
mircea_popescu: mno, ideally we'll discuss this to the point we are happily getting it
mircea_popescu: in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.
mircea_popescu: and subtle - which is to say just subtle enough to avoid detection by the head it sits in.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's easy to pick on alf about his enamourement with the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.
mircea_popescu: hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be
mircea_popescu: which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
mircea_popescu: let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.
mircea_popescu realises that the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.
mircea_popescu: the idea is exctly NOT to have coder comfort and sanity at the expense of "this is the user's script"
mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
mircea_popescu: perhaps... to help african children ? or other groups dear to our hearts ?
mircea_popescu: should bitcoin also be useful for something more other than ~dependably~ keeping track of moneyz ?
mircea_popescu: it seems somewhat improbable that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.
mircea_popescu: the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no fucking list of anything. genesis item and wot.
mircea_popescu: mod6 im telling you , dunno if you read that log or not : you need a separate testing genesis.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's seriously how it happens. same thing with eulora and everything else.
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!