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mircea_popescu: people will do what they see around them.
mircea_popescu: look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?
mircea_popescu: your trust in people is misplaced.
mircea_popescu: if not "relief from the antiquated chains of monk copying"
mircea_popescu: how do you suppose webstack became a thing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't, do you ?
mircea_popescu: and in other interludes, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3b4fae10722803dac39d2d562407d9a0/tumblr_mkh2jfIHgw1r6qz9zo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i do not want it finished otherwise, at all.
mircea_popescu: and ONLY then.
mircea_popescu: if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
mircea_popescu: i do want it to be finished.
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
mircea_popescu: but ?
mircea_popescu: are you proposing that "software must progress" ?
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: the thing with emplaced coastal artillery battery ?
mircea_popescu: was thgat the tank-submarine ?
mircea_popescu: iirc was also a locomotive type engine lol
mircea_popescu: iirc the soviets captured the prototype facility
mircea_popescu: mostly because russian mud.
mircea_popescu: which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!
mircea_popescu: anf if "doing ANYTHING else" stands for "write more code", best outcome possible.
mircea_popescu: the very concept of "my" patch has to go.
mircea_popescu: it is not YOUR fucking patch.
mircea_popescu: he has to READ IT
mircea_popescu: READ IT
mircea_popescu: ACTUAL thousand eyes, mandated, by design.
mircea_popescu: reading the fucking code is not time wasted, keeping you from time you could have "better" spend writing more code.
mircea_popescu: "why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste. << it is NOT waste. not anymore than the work that goes into brushing teeth is idiot waste.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.
mircea_popescu: if it is you'll have to show it.
mircea_popescu: "who cares how many nights student has to stay up until x clicks in his head"
mircea_popescu: similarly moscow university teacher does not care about candle burn.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to care about sweat you'll end up with the maggots on the meat.
mircea_popescu: trust that it is the right approach.
mircea_popescu: much like dna works, actually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.
mircea_popescu: the face of alf when he becomes privy to the evil matroshka mp, whereby he only argues things one way for the ease of arguing other things later.
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: they all have demonstrable teeth.
mircea_popescu: whatever you call the deity today.
mircea_popescu: it is not, but merely the necessary result of trying to keep milk in reed baskets.
mircea_popescu: you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that in all attempts of building things atop non-v environments (specifically : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411198 ) result in the same thing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality contains no divine manifestation.
mircea_popescu: this is your privilege, as a believer in animism.
mircea_popescu: bad ~environment~.
mircea_popescu: a disaster ot which naggum's lifeless body doth attest.
mircea_popescu: having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
mircea_popescu: well, without getting into the nitty details.
mircea_popescu: this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.
mircea_popescu: i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
mircea_popescu: principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.
mircea_popescu: the foundation ?
mircea_popescu: i am but i dun follow.
mircea_popescu: a throne what ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah.
mircea_popescu: but whatevs it may be.
mircea_popescu: odds are it's like last time "they lied about me agreeing", etc.
mircea_popescu: whatever this is.
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: take them out of that swamp already.
mircea_popescu: good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
mircea_popescu: rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
mircea_popescu: and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
mircea_popescu: this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
mircea_popescu: fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.
mircea_popescu: you don't "release" a patch. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.
mircea_popescu: can you be specific ?
mircea_popescu: i dun get what you mean asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"
mircea_popescu: all universes must be private in this sense.
mircea_popescu: phf no afaik that's the phil potter in question.
mircea_popescu: in other worlds - different bitcoin entirely runs, or same runs under different name or w/e.
mircea_popescu: only in some worlds.
mircea_popescu: is it signed or isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
mircea_popescu: if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
mircea_popescu: none of your business personally where either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not specified where.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait, were you at c1 and i forget ?!
mircea_popescu: "nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ...
mircea_popescu: be specific!
mircea_popescu: huh ?
mircea_popescu: of course. this is intentional and by design.
mircea_popescu: against what you have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
mircea_popescu: or that.
mircea_popescu: for now curl - after victory, gossipd!
mircea_popescu: eventually you'll have gossipd and will want gossipd-based networking