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asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: mats: ah
asciilifeform: crashed only 1 time in 10, vs other microshits ? or what
asciilifeform: mats: superb how
asciilifeform: just knows, i suspect, that he itches, but not why
asciilifeform: a wolf, by and large, cannot even conceptualize the ticks
asciilifeform: in fact, does not even consider ticks as a thing, except when specially sitting down to think about it
asciilifeform: from own back.
asciilifeform: a mircea_popescu - can remove the ticks.
asciilifeform: he elementarily does not have the power to remove them.
asciilifeform: the pay of labourers is parasitized disproportionately by usg et al for the same reason wolf in the forest is covered in ticks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: most of'em squeeze out a fairly pathetic existence if you count pay PER HOUR OF ACTUAL SWEAT
asciilifeform: being a labourer sucks slightly less, or slightly more, between regions, but it sucks fundamentally for entirely fundamental reasons.
asciilifeform: in cheapo regions, labourer is paid proportionately less.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where would this possibility come from ?
asciilifeform: this is what usaschwitz means.
asciilifeform: and the dime left from the dollar, feeds you.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432883 << hour's pay in fiat is also stuck feeding obamitler, shameekas, lockheeds, and jamie dimon. ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: from rereading the logz, seems like mircea_popescu admits this, even. ☟︎
asciilifeform: is what, exactly ?
asciilifeform: the 'everyone else' who 'will ignore'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432847 << you just described a cartel, davout . ☝︎
asciilifeform: but this is a future thing.
asciilifeform: and because i consider it possible for tmsr to develop into something like a planetoid economy.
asciilifeform: this bothered me in 2013 ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 ) but does not bother me today, largely because my giving-a-shit muscle wore out.
asciilifeform: but rather consists of titanic numbers moving on mpex.
asciilifeform: fwiw.
asciilifeform: anyway my original point was that much of what we think of as 'tmsr economy' is not actually tmsr in any reasonable sense of the word, in that it is not effected by folks having a wot presence, nor does it even have so much as iceberg tip in the public forum. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has on some occasions mentioned actually having phriends in meatspace.
asciilifeform: but more to earth, what i meant was the set of 'high-powered types' he hangs out with when he is not, in his own words, 'tending the daycare'
asciilifeform: though i admit that i always thought meta-assets consisted wholly (other than mp) of pretty gurlz
asciilifeform: i don't generally ask such questions because i am not dumb enough to expect answer.
asciilifeform: but i will point out, i see this entire story (the bbet meltdown) though 'shoemaker' eyes, and i never had any idea, whether jurov and kako were part of mircea_popescu's actual inner circle, i.e. folks who actually move serious coin around, privy to how mpb works, physically met his intelligence agents, etc. or not.
asciilifeform: who the ~real~ lordz trade with
asciilifeform: i guess this is none of our stinking serf business eh
asciilifeform: mpoe, trading solely with itself ?!
asciilifeform: so who then extracted ?
asciilifeform: and from the overall ill health of bbet
asciilifeform: jurov: very clearly i do not know it for certain, but inferring from the bbet event.
asciilifeform: because we're all, you see, lordz, and these don't stoop to ever actually paying for anything, they promise one another kokus of rice per year from their serfs if it must come down to it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432804 << this is one of those 3rd rails. there is ~no money actually circulating in the tmsr castle walls. ☝︎
asciilifeform: though i have nfi, you'd have to ask him, to be sure.
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would rather burn it than let it go to hitler. ☟︎
asciilifeform: bbet was ~the~ bet machine, as far as i'm concerned, fwiw, and now there is none. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is a ludicrous very idea.
asciilifeform: just like i won't fuck a hole in a rusty truck on some godforsaken junkyard lot.
asciilifeform: ever.
asciilifeform: i won't bet so much as a satoshi at a betmoose or fairlay or whatever other wotless wild derpery. ☟︎
asciilifeform: utterly radioactive.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unattractive is a bit of an understatement.
asciilifeform: but why would you touch it after that !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: anything can be sold to scammers/spammers.
asciilifeform: but if you stick solely to can-be-valueds, you end up selling pies in the street.
asciilifeform: a very heavy dose of can't-be-valued
asciilifeform: jurov: this is one of the caveats of the business-cum-guerilla-warfare-battalion animal
asciilifeform: given as it was structured in such a way that ANY unexpected ding would destroy it utterly unless carried by that month's profit. ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of the problems is that apparently it was already not being carried. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (let's say he does - what good does this do ?)
asciilifeform: for mircea_popescu to admit that he elbowed a button and crashed the tank ?
asciilifeform: a restarted bbet ?
asciilifeform: also it is not clear to me what the folks in the dispute actuall want. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: sadly this is prolly how it will go. at least no mexican ice pick is yet involved. ☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: i suspect that if you were to suggest to mircea_popescu that a group of lordz could, or ought to, make a collective decision, he would break out in hives and barf ☟︎
asciilifeform: where ?
asciilifeform: do 0asset corps even exist in meatspace ?
asciilifeform: so either trinque has to accept that v is demonstrably worthless, or to buy into mircea_popescu's 'non-quantifiable' category, or the like.
asciilifeform: trinque: the actual market value of my prospecting is, empirically, ~0.
asciilifeform: but then you also do not get another thing of similar interest by buying x hours of asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: 'v' did not actually take very long to write. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: the thread concerned an invention, rather than a certain amount of my time.
asciilifeform: trinque: and it is not impossible to buy my time, just that it is not ~practical~ for anyone i consider worthwhile. because it is sold only in very large parcels, and is not cheap. but this is beside the point.
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu was the one with the +inf.
asciilifeform: see thread.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was more of 0 than an inf
asciilifeform: or somethinglikethat
asciilifeform: there it comes from the 10,001 koku of rice a true man collects from his serfs
asciilifeform: jurov: not in mircea_popescu's planet !
asciilifeform: then see again.
asciilifeform: see thread.
asciilifeform: specifically.
asciilifeform: the subject was the ORIGINAL.
asciilifeform: trinque: that was pointedly NOT the subject
asciilifeform: categorically.
asciilifeform: has not because cannot.
asciilifeform: just like it is meaningless to discuss the weight of a planet
asciilifeform: you can't price a thing that cannot be in any practical way traded
asciilifeform: which is the point
asciilifeform: jurov: but neither was a work-for-hire cash'n'carry thing
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-09-2015#1271492 << mega-obligatory-naggum ☝︎
asciilifeform: he - correctly - said that i may as well be smoking crack
asciilifeform: jurov: do you recall that thread where i asked mircea_popescu to tally up what, e.g., 'v' was worth to him, in money ?
asciilifeform: *me
asciilifeform: that is, as i understand, mircea_popescu's 'bbet consumed megatonnes of grade-A mptronium which i supplied at no cost, and now people expect be to also put in coin for phree?!'
asciilifeform: jurov: well, we have http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432495 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432662 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: would there even have been a marriage to divorce from ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: but what if the wife had charged market rate for the sexx!111
asciilifeform: amicable separation, if you will.
asciilifeform: the bbet divorce, as i understand, stopped quite deliberately short of this
asciilifeform: phf: they never quite got to this point
asciilifeform: jurov: the discussion reminds me of those divorces where the husband/wife end up throwing post-facto 'expenses' at each other for who took out the trash etc