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mircea_popescu: this'd be an important theoretical point, incidentally, showing domain exception. tis not currently known.
mircea_popescu: on the other side, i don't know there's anything wot doesn't apply to.
cruciform: fwiw, I don't know that the WoT applies to nubiles
mircea_popescu: yes, but proxying "girls whose tits i enjoy" into "life partner" is how people harvest the bitter fruit.
mircea_popescu: "someone in wot" is not meaningful in that sense. who's in ~YOUR~ wot ?
cruciform: I was hoping somone in the WoT would have already done that
mircea_popescu: for many small projects people prefer to write, because it's easier to write than read code.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this. if you don't write, you have to read, such as the thing you linked.
cruciform: ok, so learn to write my own code/audit something like that
mircea_popescu: ok so, all you need is a chunk of random data, which fg provides. you can hash that into a privkey and address.
cruciform: would it be retarded to use something like this to generate keys on an offline box? https://github.com/grondilu/bitcoin-bash-tools/blob/master/bitcoin.sh
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 22:37 asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
asciilifeform: or even go whole hog, to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669650 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and with respect to this, the pretense imho oughta be dispensed with. run it all in ring0, get 10-20% speed boost 'for phree' etc )
asciilifeform: nao this is so.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if anyone today depends on their linux not being vulnerable to LPE, they're ducked in the ducking heaf!
mircea_popescu: you can't turn terse explanations of the problem into lengthy discussions of implications taylored for idiots, what is this, black chix coding now ?
mircea_popescu: red hat OPTED to be shitheads. like koch usually does.
asciilifeform: 'responsible disclosure' == aid and comfort to enemy
mircea_popescu: the description is plain and was published two years ago. davidson fixed, torvalds commited within an hour. their job is done.
asciilifeform: ( pro tip: when you patch and dun say why, there is a staff of 15,000+ people who do nuffin but to see exactly why )
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did he sit on goods ?
asciilifeform: as typical, he 1) patched 2) withheld the implications of the patch from all but usg
asciilifeform: 'Linux distributions that have not patched their long-term kernels with https://git.kernel.org/linus/a87938b2e246b81b4fb713edb371a9fa3c5c3c86 (committed on April 14, 2015) are vulnerable...'
asciilifeform: consider reading the link ?
mircea_popescu: what's linus to do with redhat's repackaged thing ?
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/roEgM >> privesc 0day : '...all versions of CentOS 7 before 1708 (released on September 13, 2017), all versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 before 7.4 (released on August 1, 2017), and all versions of CentOS 6 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 are exploitable' << Aaaaaaand as usual linus sat on the goods since april, because 'responsible' ☟︎
danielpbarron: rats, i seem to only have mediums and XL with me, XL ok?
danielpbarron: i got some NSA shirts, will throw one in for free
asciilifeform: thing gets moar barfy by the minute, even by decade-ago standards
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: !~later tell cruciform kk, btw what size shirt would you like?
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usa google front pg today features 'culture scholar Gloria E. Anzaldúa, The Mexican-American cultural theorist who identified invisible "borders" in society...'
diana_coman: sure, nothing wrong with that in itself; still for FG as it is and given "it's underpriced anyway" ...surprising; that's it, all of it
diana_coman: wtf is this now
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i might consider asking if there's any cheaper than fiddy bux floating around
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, there was no question re being legitimate
mircea_popescu: in any case the amd cpu i bought was underpriced both at list price and at 2nd hand price. cuz i sure as fuck ain'\t making one in my laundry room out of lint and wall shavings for less than a few hundred.
mircea_popescu: as it happens in the case of FG afaik aftermarket is actually more expensive than list price, ie it's more like collected art than used cars, but to find that out you gotta ask, and the question sounds exactly like "any discount rembrandts around ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffinwrong. it was funny because of the refrain of 'but it's underpriced!!1!'
mircea_popescu: legitimate question. you all look on amazon. there's such a thing as a car aftermarket. what of it.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 14:11 diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717520 << i dunno you two, seems basic market research. "so item x exists, shipped by manufacturer, costs x. are there cheaper units out there ?" ☝︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/teenagers-are-a-pain-in-the-ass/ << Trilema - Teenagers are a pain in the ass
jhvh1: cruciform: The operation succeeded.
cruciform: !~later tell danielpbarron http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6ddTH/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: saying something can't be economically engaged in is a derivate of wovon, it's like babbage saying the problem of corectness can't be approached by mechanical means.
mircea_popescu: what stupidities the courts engage in isn't germane ; nor is anything else. it's not a social matter.
mircea_popescu: and re the other thing, nevermind the practicals. the point was that it isn't an economic activity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chick wanted to live by the park or whatever homemaker achievement. a girlscout captive in a 25yo woman's body, still trying to get the right badges in her sophisticated culturedness.
asciilifeform: if builders in babylon succeeded in petitioning hammurabi for same 'protections' as programmers got in 1980s -- we would still live in houses that fall down regularly, crushing everyone inside, and it would be considered 'normal'
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 06:57 mircea_popescu: do you understand why computers and software are extempt from the general consumer protections ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 06:58 mircea_popescu: if on the other hand you elaine ou do terrible software work, that is EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER. there is no way a company can pay up.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717447 << courts have no problem handing out verdicts loser 'could not possibly pay' in other circumstances. as in recent thread re janitor who burned down submarine ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 05:10 mircea_popescu: check out the dumb broad, she imagines moneymaking scales, rich dude is going to get into the same arrangements with her as rando highschool boyfriend would.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717418 << fwiw 500k/annum ( unless in cash, for dealing black market plutonium ) is not 'rich' in usaschwitz, it typically comes with 450k/annum house+commute/etc ☝︎
cruciform: diana_coman: no disrespect intended to vendor
asciilifeform: ( but then worked as civilian hired help, at civilian pay, for academics, but then quit even this )
diana_coman: a 2nd hand one cheaper; fine to do it, sure, just ...surprising
diana_coman: cruciform, for one thing man at till is not producer - while I don't give "man at till" extra for the product itself (I might give him for the service if warranted, what), I might even want to give producer more if I consider what he does to be a great thing; payment is support at the end of the day; anyway keeping with your example the thing would be: man at till says it'll be $10, do you ask around in the shop if anyone sells
a111: Logged on 2017-09-26 04:41 elaineo: cuz i spent a dozen years thinking that that would be my ultimate achievement in life
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26#1717379 << asciilifeform was even luckier, was vomited forth forever from the belly of the beast before even could set foot in grad school ☝︎
cruciform: man at till says it'll be $10; you give him $20 just because?
asciilifeform: cruciform: it is because of this statement that you are getting puzzled stares
cruciform: diana_coman: not at all; as I said: I'd pay far more than NSA price
cruciform: perhaps I particulary want to patronise my vendor
diana_coman: cruciform, if you don't mind for my curiosity: does the difference actually matter or above what threshold does it matter?
asciilifeform: i'ma laugh if d00d confesses that he had to pay for postage ( s.nsa does not charge for postage... ) and it was == $15
diana_coman: by asciilifeform's calc earlier that would be $15 saved
diana_coman: cruciform, worx then
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: !~later tell cruciform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iy0Tk/?raw=true
diana_coman: asciilifeform, by now I suspect it's more a thing on the lines of "gotta have cheapest price possible or else sucker"
cruciform: for the record, it took ~30minutes to procure 2 units @10% below spot from a member of WoT
asciilifeform: cruciform: i must inform you that we recently dropped the price, on account of rising btc/usd , and most of the folx who presently own FG, paid ~more~ than is today being charged
diana_coman: cruciform, ah, so this is about "maybe there is somewhere a deal and I pay 1 dime less?
asciilifeform: ( granted there may be such a person, i have nfi )
asciilifeform: cruciform: the real advantage is that you can actually get it, reliably, from vendor. whereas right now you're stuck looking for somebody with too many, that he itches to get rid of at a loss, to sell you cheaply.
diana_coman: what puzzles is a. why would someone buy it from nsa to then sell it cheaper (admittedly it is possible though, anything is possible) b. if it's underpriced how is it worth it to spend *time* in order to get somehow possibly (not even surely) a slightly cheaper price ☟︎
cruciform: diana_coman: that would be the only advantage in paying more when buying directly from vendor
diana_coman: cruciform, where did I say that?
asciilifeform: i even described how you can substitute mercury switches for the analogue boards, if you only need a byte/minute or so , as in dice
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there is that
cruciform: diana_coman: the whole point is that it's auditable, so why does it matter where you get it from?
asciilifeform: it dun get any moar auditable than item you made with own hands.
diana_coman: I don't have anything against others doing whatever, obv, just sort of ...not making sense to me
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i will add, for extra pedantism, that there are always TWO potential sources for FG : s.nsa, and OWN HANDS ( schematics and soft are published, go, make )
cruciform: asciilifeform: I want auditable RNG, and rolling dice is putting me on tilt
diana_coman: well, it's not whatever really; as far as I know there is only one maker of FG; and moreover, if I think the "widget" is underpriced then no, I don't waste time running around to ask maybe it's even more underpriced sort of thing
asciilifeform: cruciform: if you 'just want' 'an rng, dun matter what kind' -- the cost is 0, your cpu maker already supplied you with a liquishit rng
cruciform: diana_coman: do you check multiple vendors before you buy the widget?
diana_coman is genuinely rather puzzled on this one ☟︎
asciilifeform: that's less than your ~chair~ prolly cost
diana_coman: cruciform, I don't get it either: if you think NSA price is low anyway, then why are you looking for some other place to buy it for even less?
cruciform: but very grateful for your work in making the device
asciilifeform: but then also 'would somebody pleez sell for <x'
asciilifeform: well, somebody who thinks 'underpriced'
cruciform: puzzling that someone would pay <x, as opposed to x?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell cruciform i've nothing against folx buyin', sellin', secondhand FG, but i'm very curious re the psychology of 'would anyone... less than listed price' -- do you see it as overpriced ? or chasing after the abstract pleasure of pinching a penny ? or which is it.