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ben_vulpes: lord of light also on the reread list, i can'
t actually remember what it was about for the life of me it's been so long.
trinque: PRETTY FUCKIN CONVENIENT ISN'
T IT
☟︎ ben_vulpes: gcc has the ken thompson hack and llvm doesn'
t dontcha know
lobbes: "So she did what she felt was the most humane choice." My sides.. wtf. If situation wasn'
t absurd enough, the fact that she came to conclusion that "mammal slowly drowning in shitter" = moar humane than simply letting it loose in/around airport (or even taking a well placed shoe to it) puzzles me the most
trinque gets why mircea_popescu didn'
t want me squeezing the particular limb I grabbed, but still
trinque: BingoBoingo: good luck buddy, and don'
t let it piss you off
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 ; the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me ; with the exception that won'
t bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: so anyone who can'
t get materiel to phf by takeoff may talk to me about hauling machines down south. i expect folks to cover freight, pitch in on the trip costs, and guarantee reimbursement for VAT/IVA should it be levied at the airport.
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean you really don'
t care about the most recent piece of holywood vomit, and that you think eg complete walter mathau filmography not being readilty available is scandalous! THIS IS NOT WHAT TORRENTS ARE FOR!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gotta learn patience. the orcs generally mean well but can'
t manage to apply themselves.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: shouldn'
t it be in orclang ? << No. They have made it clear they know more than enough English, and you don'
t make strong asks in their own linguistic territory. And the head of the tech team does fluent English including idiomatics. I have met enough of their people to know the message going to be understood.
hanbot: mircea_popescu jeeze, they don'
t even leave the carcass on someone's doorstep?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "there is no way to" / "you can'
t even provide the bare bones necessary supplies for using your services" << Sent with the further reminder : "From our earliest conversations I was clear that housing customer provided hardware was the focus of my business. The quotes for new Supermicro servers have not interested them from a cost basis perspective, and now they are getting together a pile of hardware to
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "there is no way to" / "you can'
t even provide the bare bones necessary supplies for using your services"
diana_coman: well, that's how it worked that far pretty much, isn'
t it? tell Daddy what you like, tell teacher what you'd like etc
hanbot: halp, i saw today's trilema header and i can'
t get up!
mircea_popescu: ave1 i'd have just had you do the genesis rather than wait, but the problem is you can'
t really, on current inband diffing.
trinque: totally accurate depiction of waco: sucks, probably can'
t read
shinohai: Can'
t run a terrorist organization without seekrit communications!
mircea_popescu: now, the floor is very smooth and the incline very forgiving, so you wouldn'
t be much deeper than maybe 5-10 meters even then.
mod6: it isn'
t easy to time it right, but once you get it, wow.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won'
t appreciate random reboots
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can'
t produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can'
t go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack.
mircea_popescu: not to say we won'
t rack old school disks someone ships ; but i think that's about as far as that goes.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won'
t appreciate random reboots
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:01 TomServo: but the air between machines isn'
t moving, right? if not by convection?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:57 TomServo: That was my point, I don'
t see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 mod6: i haven'
t for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box.
mircea_popescu: but, in any case, more of a curio/bikeshed than anything i think. overclocking isn'
t likely to have more than a 1% if tyhat impact either way in bbisp affairs.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they don'
t. and for the other thing... really ?!
mircea_popescu: re cooked : i don'
t expect anyone's getting cooked. half-decent run DC has no hotspot over 50 anyway, no matter what.
mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won'
t appreciate random reboots
☟︎☟︎ trinque: makes sense, I won'
t dispute that part.
ben_vulpes: what, they heat up, crack their pcbs, shut down. run your fans, this won'
t be a problem.
ben_vulpes: i ain'
t justifying shit, i'm saying that i'm not concerned about the health of the rack from a few hot boxes.
ben_vulpes: if we don'
t neglect it, i'd expect entrained flow in the same direction as the convective cooling flux, eg from front of rack to back
ben_vulpes: that argon between them doesn'
t move; the viscosity of the gas keeps it locked in place and it acts as a superior insulator to the glass.
TomServo: but the air between machines isn'
t moving, right? if not by convection?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: heaven help us if the machine bodies actually drive a) because someone isn'
t cooling adequately, and if the gap is sufficiently small (as anyone with dc experience can attest) we'll probably have "stagnation" conditions, where the air is not actually circulating between the machines
TomServo: That was my point, I don'
t see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT.
☟︎ mod6: i haven'
t for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i know but if the convective flux is adequate there really shouldn'
t be that much heat conducted from machine to machine
trinque: ben_vulpes: wasn'
t thinking of it, just heat through the metal case
trinque: mircea_popescu: in re: cores, depends what you're running. most of my existing servers are many separate services doing tasks that don'
t block each other, whereas if running trb it's doubtful the thing benefits from even one extra core, except insofar as the rest of the OS's doings get shuffled off to it.
TomServo: I can likely order gear as well, but I don'
t expect that will be a problem.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I would expect cores and I certainly wouldn'
t be considering overclocking in a DC environment.
TomServo: this was $4460/mo USD and doesn'
t include any data service
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don'
t see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
TomServo: That's true, but weren'
t you discussing stuffing 4 mini itxs in one case? with vertical exhuasting cpu fans?
mircea_popescu: so i'm kinda trying to outsource the heat knowhow to the dc, in this passive manner. kinda why i got a low W cpu. i'm thinking i'd have to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"
t or multi-cpu than about this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat...
mircea_popescu: but in principle, gear can'
t produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can'
t go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ?
BingoBoingo: Well, someone is piling hardware in the US? I haven'
t seen volunteers yet other than phf to courier
mircea_popescu: anyway, the board itself is glass pcb, a fine piece indeed. however, the processor doesn'
t even work over 60 celsius.
mircea_popescu: (this ~is~ a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don'
t think it should be outright unmountable. the asrock is a mini-atx, afaik those fit in 2u.
shinohai: Feel for ya mod6. I got a relapse too. You shouldn'
t have been hanging around me this past weekend. :P
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn'
t this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due to the painful $900 lesson my name is my company, though it is indeed a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at the corporation (because the provisional ID cuts the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn'
t this between latechco and your company or what?
diana_coman didn'
t know it was republica ORIENTAL del uruguay, ha
mircea_popescu: Extra power is 20 cents/Watt, can be had as an add-on. Extra bandwidth, idem, though because granularity issues can'
t really give a fixed price in advance. but something like $20 doubles it, more or less.
diana_coman: juhoitse, I suggest you try making some btc directly in eulora; at least there you can'
t lose more than you have
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn'
t there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here
https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn'
t there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here
https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is where "teh experts" could contribute, if they weren'
t busy taking a shit right exactly when they're needed. but... such is lyf.
mircea_popescu: seems to me a bad deal to trade 4ghz down to 3 in exchange for 16 cores instead of 8. contrary to all the hubbub, "multithreading" isn'
t nearly that working in practice.
mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don'
t see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the "pay twice the cost but it buys you insurance from "what if the rack doesn'
t fill" as well as not having to do the legwork" principle seems reasonably fair to me ; it may alter in the future, but for fucking cause. like the prices work in #eulora.
trinque hasn'
t a preference for weekly, other than manages the bitcoin:fiat interface volatility better, which iirc was the rationale
trinque: not stating an explicit price per U is going to make the folks who aren'
t independently wealthy hesitant to dive in headfirst.
mod6: I'm certain that I don'
t know all of what was discussed between yourself and mircea_popescu - even in this very chamber.
hanbot: asciilifeform i don'
t doubt it, but my tidbit is solely re what i quoted from you, ie got stuck trying to satisfy earlier item, and so hadn'
t produced other item by deadline that prolly didn'
t even seem like one
hanbot: <asciilifeform> picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier item << fwiw, i suspect organizational trouble rather'n deliberate anti-delivery here. i'll say: i spent years imagining i.e. deliberate, detailed scheduling, writing "bullet points" etc was for dumb people, and that naturally i didn'
t need it. and i got by for various definitions of gettin', but didn'
t wash in mp's com
mircea_popescu: he leaves on 13th, so if you send them say tomorrow they can'
t possibly be late i dun think ?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, yes, how much money? i don'
t know exactly
mircea_popescu: he can'
t provide you a fucking quote on my airfare, what the fuck's wrong with you.
mircea_popescu: so, people who ~aren'
t~ asciilifeform : phf still needs a pile of gear for his flight ; BingoBoingo can'
t produce it locally. i'm looking for system suggestions.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 18:45 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don'
t talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> btw BingoBoingo , what's a 'CoWork' ? << An office arrangement where they set you up with an address suitable for local fiscal reporting. Lotta outsourced remote workers here, many of the better locals I have encountered. Place to do actual work, the hostel isn'
t equiped to accomodate that.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren'
t utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ? << Not for shit that isn'
t lowest common denominator consumer boxes. The datacenter forwarded a spreadsheet SuperMicro sent them with prices for two boxes in quantities up to 20 a piece today. Missing was any information on what the fuck the boxes were. Super Micro included model numbers that don'
t resolve to anything