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mircea_popescu: i don't see the future well enough to judge what chances we have, but i do see the future well enough to see that if you have no horse in a race, you can't win it.
mircea_popescu: understand that if there's a summer of crazy, a NEW schelling will emerge.
mircea_popescu: whatever your position is, it may be, but it gotta be explicit so everyone can build on it.
mircea_popescu: i do not expect anything, this is why this is a discussion.
mircea_popescu: so basically you propose - wait and see on trb, meanwhile i'll also develop a fork variant which i won't either share or have ready in time ?
mircea_popescu: anyway - what isn't a strategy is "if the bad thing happens i'll get really butthurt".
mircea_popescu: perhaps or perhaps. looky, strategy discussions are about strategy.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, "trb as is only" opens us up to being forced, later on, to pick among the idiots.
mircea_popescu: there is a very specific danger which you perhaps are not seeing. if indeed we continu with trb as is, and if indeed 3) happens, as these two share pow and we don't control .7 or so exahash we become extremelty vulnerable. recall the fate of altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: eliding the complements makes this discussion dangerous, both to us and to the future.
mircea_popescu: but you should note, that there is no good reason to consider current trb so much different from cases 1-3.
mircea_popescu: in any case trb isn't going anywhere, nor need it go anywhere.
mircea_popescu: at this juncture, tmsr must make the decision if it will continue strictly with trb, or ALSO offer a tmsr fork of trb.
mircea_popescu: 4) to perhaps 12 or whatever, hardforks run by various nuts.
mircea_popescu: 3) a miner-fork, run by whatever that fat dumb fuck can hire on freelancer.com
mircea_popescu: tomorrow, there will be : 1) mit-hardfork, run by gavin and whatever anand prakashen they can find.
mircea_popescu: currently, there exists bitcoin. while this is soupier than we'd like and perhaps the collapsed eigenstate is slowly vibrating away into an undecided cloud, nevertheless, for the sake of discussion, let's say.
mircea_popescu: most of the crud you operate on was written by gavin & co.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, your objections as stated don't cut anything.
mircea_popescu: in any case : while a hierarchy could perhaps be constructed in the "not in wot" pile, as you propose or otherwise,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no proof you can produce for this strontium assertion.
mircea_popescu: 2. is the usable interim continuation of the bitcoin prototype. which, obviously, doesn't HAVE TO exist at all points to 1, but it may help if it does. we're here mostly discussing 2, i think.
mircea_popescu: 1 is, the perfect bitcoin. which, logically, would NOT conserve coinbases. as such, it has no meaningful humantime continuity with the present Bitcoin, and so it can be done at any point etc.
mircea_popescu: and note that i include (continue with current bitcoin) in the same (intelligence outside the wot) pile. which it is.
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose wanna-be singer/waitress sends demos with britney spears' stuff rather than actual music ? "this is fashionable, maybe some rubs off on me!"
mircea_popescu: and half of those are built in spaces where provably no problem existsw.
mircea_popescu: punkman well, maybe wehen jurov releases the slime client :D
mircea_popescu: so far, nsa-gavin, prb and [prolly] the miner cartel are all preparing something or the other.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced either. but there's the possibility.
mircea_popescu: in any case we should prolly have a strategy discussion here. paging mod6 asciilifeform jurov trinque phf an' the other interested parties.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: alls, and more likely than not we'll be stuck picking between a warty rat and a sickly mole.
mircea_popescu: in other news - it still remains likely that this summer will see a bevy of various hardforks on offer. practically speaking, trb can offer either its own candidate, which takes a lot of work, or else sit tight and we'll follow the more intelligent of the avaialble offerings, which takes less work but also implies a lot of risk - experience to date shows that there's precious little intelligence available outside the w
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: without exception it fucked up ALL of these. and not lightly fuck them up, either.
mircea_popescu: assbot> RIP Google PageRank score: A retrospective on how it ruined the web << this is not an idle comment. google, like every other usg item, like usg collectively, was entrusted with great responsibility in many fields after the war.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> for the 5 people or so worldwide << oif which apparently two here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> or did i read that backwards ? <<< seems so ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. apparnetly, not married, living together for 15 years, he owns the house, she's basically a tramp, dude drinks and nonconsensually humiliates the woman, had been driving her nuts the whole night, she lost it, is now sorry, tried to fix on teh spot, visits at hospital etc.
mircea_popescu: (the issue seems to be over not getting flowers for 8th march, "mother's day" in commie lands)
mircea_popescu: but anyway - now that ars technica has proven that black slavery never happened, we can go back to separate but equal, i guess.
mircea_popescu: what, next you're going to say we have actual proof the usg had been running a string of massive conspiracies, such as you know, inserting backdoors in software, such as "parallel construction", such as iran contra, such as whatever the hell.
mircea_popescu: large scale conspiracy such as telling idiots they're not idiots could never happen. why would an idiot ever believe he's not an idiot ?!
mircea_popescu: thanks god we got rid of algebra ii in time for the education of arstechnica staff.
mircea_popescu: "why would i ??!?! i am going to be the president of the united states!" "because you're one twist away from being an idiot" "so ?!"
mircea_popescu: i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that seems workable on the surface - until you realise that the one thing being here promises is that those people won't generally WANT to work for $cubefarm.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: when s.mg needed a tech hand diana_coman got it ; the job wasn't on the market nor would s.mg have continued had the job had to go to the market.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony tbh i did spend some time thinking about it - then. i don't see how what he was trying to do could have worked. why the everloving would someone here eschew the benefit of the wot and "hire someone to hire" for you ?
mircea_popescu: is this basically one of those freelancer coder teams thing ?
mircea_popescu: a while back, yeah. don't think it worked out too well in the end.
mircea_popescu: about the RagnarDanneskjol fellow ? i have no idea what he does tbh.