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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194158 << bitcoin actually has enough power structure to enforce a uniform rejection of usg leap second. ☝︎☟︎
mod6: asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc asciilifeform saw the same wedge spot for a bit.
funkenstein_: reminds me, showed girl b-a channel yesterday. respones, wow cool.. people chat online who aren't just trying to get laid?
mircea_popescu: this is a necessity, given that reddit simply is "that collection of people at the age and level of stupidity of a redditard"
mircea_popescu: reddit then creating a new dogecoin to serve its perceived needs is a sign of reddit staying reddit, which is top say fucktarded and unable to learn from its mistakes.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193867 >> pretty much. reddit being shut out of bitcoin is a sign of bitcoin working correctly. ☝︎
phf: that specific breed of bears is tame. mostly you spook them and they run away, or you stay and wait for them to sniff and leave. after a few encounters like that the idea of macing a bear from close range doesn't seem particularly disconcerting
Vexual: what happenis if theres a bear looking for trouble? do you run away?
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 20:42:45; bagels7: i'll be your slave for a million dollars on a 5 year basis
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193778 << the going rate in that market is a few hundred. ☝︎
Vexual: you'd notice a bear from miles away
Vexual: for a day of funk phreakers blowing holes in speakers, a discussion on silence is delicious
asciilifeform: but that the idea of turning one on inside a block of flats...
Vexual: alf had a crystal set
phf: The20YearIRCloud: this was on denali highway which is a kind of a wind tunnel nearby from a glacier. most of it is freezing all the way till mid summer (though i don't know, i spent a winter there)
phf: The20YearIRCloud: after a bit your start hearing the trees lightly creaking in the wind
decimation: asciilifeform: you should buy a farm in kentucky
The20YearIRCloud: As it stands now ,if I do that here I see tall grass, a trailer, a half plywood house, then a large agricultural facility
decimation: but this means that there are probably many people who are 'trapped' - desire more space between themselves and others - but cannot move away in order to keep a job
The20YearIRCloud: I can't wait to go back to a farm setting
trinque: I spent time on a large farm as a kid, cannot stand the population density of cities
asciilifeform: i grew up in a city
decimation: suburb kid needs a suburb
decimation: my theory is that the space you had as a child 'imprints'
decimation: md 200 should be a full freeway, connect with 95 on at least two other river crossings
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 02:22:22; decimation: a sizable chunk of the wash dc population would move 100-200 miles away if they could commute in 15 minutes
The20YearIRCloud: Quite possibly, there's a concrete walkway that's actually sunk down about 6"
The20YearIRCloud: Part of that $400 was to have a guy come out with a camera and inspect the line
The20YearIRCloud: there was a 8ft PVC section between two clay drain sections
The20YearIRCloud: Boy I had a crappy day, one of the renters called me and nothing would drain. Only to find out they've been parking a car on the main drain line. I offered to go out rather than my crew to take care of it, 3hrs later and $400 we've determined that it's all due to someone parking on the drain line and actually pushing it out of the fittings.
decimation: a sizable chunk of the wash dc population would move 100-200 miles away if they could commute in 15 minutes ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: it's actually a pretty nice place
asciilifeform: on account of having been built there back when actual honest commerce was a thing
assbot: A Map of the U.S. by Property Value Instead of Land Area - CityLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmJRPW )
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188651 < a map that demonstrates your point: http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/07/mapping-the-us-by-property-value-instead-of-land-area/397841/ ☝︎
asciilifeform: and what, precisely, ought one expect of folks raised in a zoo?
asciilifeform: i bet if some helpful fella gave them a few kg of plastique each, they would put it to good use...
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 23:39:06; mircea_popescu: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.in/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html << this thing is such bs. if the intelligent need to whine on an obscure blog, and for "society" to GIVE THEM shit they're about as intelligent as a mensa chapter. which isn't all that flattering.
decimation: neither do I. but assuming the pogo isn't a complete bust, someone's gonna have to evaluate the risk
decimation: I would agree that if the pogo needs to be launched into space, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it knew where it was on the internet topology, especially relative to other bitcoin nodes
asciilifeform: but that it is doable, and trivial, and can be carried out in such a way as to affect only known bitcoin nodes, seems obvious to me
asciilifeform: there is a 'room 641a' at every single major infrastructural junction
decimation: you think you could call up your local comcastic office, pretend to be hitler, and demand that a particular protocol be selectively fucked with?
asciilifeform: not like it's a secret who they are.
decimation: so if the pogo syncs to a random node once per month and keeps time within a few minutes, it'll be fine
decimation: I would also note that if the pogo clock varies in a systematic way (constant frequency error)
asciilifeform: but we don't have a mechanism of syncing n-bit counters with second resolution across a planet that ~doesn't~ operate at hitler's pleasure.
asciilifeform: i specified a problem. what is the point of saying 'no, let's solve this other trivial problem'
decimation: and such an error, if it ends up driving the clock off by several minutes, would be detectable in a variety of ways
asciilifeform: and have no idea what a block is.
asciilifeform: not like pogo has a screen, where it tells you that it is (or is not) receiving valid blocks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you won't know that you have segmented into a parallel universe
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> say my isp makes all ntp queries chronically 3 minutes off into the past << Burn a Walmart
asciilifeform: it's a cheap bullet with our name on it
decimation: unless you are willing to accept the risk of a global ntp/router delay attack
decimation: well, if that's a hard spec, and 'launch into space' is a hard spec, the project is a failure
BingoBoingo: decimation: Realtive to UTC, yes. I live about a minute in a half to UTC's future
mats: its a real bummer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al were contemplating a surrender to ntp even.
asciilifeform: i possibly have a scheme for this. but it won't help pogo, because this is no longer bitcoin
asciilifeform: to have the concept of difficulty, nodes only need to know that time has passed, using a timebase that 1) is independent variable from aggregate hash 2) is prohibitively expensive to manipulate
asciilifeform: if a certain constraint is loosenes
decimation: or we cannot build a trusted network of time sources
williamdunne: From the looks of things, S.MPOE used to have a thousand BTC or so volume per day
decimation: well, if that were a hard spec I would agree, need txco or ocxo
decimation: I guess I just can't see 'we need to sun' to be a huge limitation on any human endeavour
decimation: aye, that's a problem
decimation: even martians could live with a 24-hour earth day
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asciilifeform: decimation: 'outside of humanity' is a tall order. and not what anybody was asking for
BingoBoingo: decimation: Astronomical time is probelematic in that we do not know if LizardHitler mothership can subtly tow sun a few miles or give the moon a push
asciilifeform: this is a subtle point, granted
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain
asciilifeform: (yes, decimation will teach you to tell epoch time within +/1 1000 by using the stars and moon. that does not change the essence of the fact that global epoch synchronized by machines is a fiat - specifically usg - creature)
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and if they decide that 'national s33k0000r1ty' requires a leap week ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what << How often? A minute over a century and ignoring should be fine
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 23:32:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193615 << this is a hollywood fiction. "the strong, silent type". not found in nature.
BingoBoingo: solrodar: If your recipe works a narrative of it could be welcome qntra material
solrodar: yeah, it's just a list of regexes, you can change them as you like
asciilifeform: would like a way of adjusting this
punkman: btw aren't all those stacked "using namespace std;" "using namespace boost;" statements a bad idea?
solrodar: I'm already pulling the graph into a script to do some filtering
asciilifeform: but not only it, but a complete recipe whereby i can regenerate it.
asciilifeform: i need a usable graph
asciilifeform: and other thing, if a node is a leaf of only one stem, it should be right next to it
asciilifeform: solrodar: tell you what. i'm not the one who put up the bounty (that was mircea_popescu) but i was the one who asked for the chart. if you can produce a dependency graph in s-expression format, embodying the info in this graph, ~and~ show me how to get same using open source utils, i will say the job is done
asciilifeform: not trying to be a spoilsport, but pointing out fact
asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna tell me that the structure requires putting, e.g., CWalletDB::ReadBestBlock a mile away from AppInit2, even though the former connects to ~nothing else~ ???!!
shinohai: I need a projector to see it
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mircea_popescu: also consider leaving a comment with the link and a functional email address on the trilema post.