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asciilifeform: prolly the only finalsolution to power variance is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656782 . ☝︎

mircea_popescu: see alf, had you listened to me when i FIRST told you to fucking move, you'd have had a warehouse somewhere outside of shit empire, could have just made your own dc. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: there is that.

apeloyee: you get the idea.

shinohai: I still have all the original articles saved from the #b-a days

asciilifeform: and i have no intention of doing such a thing

a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 12:06 apeloyee: it seems I see how to squeeze out one more FZ-sized temporary from FZ_Mod_Exp, besides the ^^ and using a proper barrett; it will exacerbate the above-mentioned physical leakage, though... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XvDnd/?raw=true <- as usual, not tested.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725202 << i will say now, that i will not be using windowed exponentiation, because it wins nothing unless you permit indexing memory by a secret ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 05:00 ben_vulpes: shinohai: do we have a from-zero "install gpg, ... now you're in the #trilema wot" ?

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725193 <<< hanbot has it, though I propose that when tmsr isp is functional we revisit idea of trilema wiki if mircea_popescu agrees. ☝︎

asciilifeform: now this is nonsense.

apeloyee: i'll have a square metre grid of whatever size i can buy, if i want. << not enough wires connecting them.

apeloyee: you don't have fpga that large.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 00:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722411 << 1 ) ffa is closed form. i.e. it CAN be written as a number of nand gates, with a 'funnel' at the top, to which you present a,b,c, e.g. 4096bit, numbers, and at the bottom in a little cup you get a^b mod c , and with NO UPWARDS FEEDBACK FLOW of information , i.e. answer comes after same interval of time always, and with strictly downwards signals.

apeloyee: lol even the exponentiation loop?

asciilifeform: fpga has a bit muxer and none of the loops will be loops, lol

asciilifeform: optimization that adds loc is for inner loop items STRICTLY

a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 11:02 apeloyee: continuing elimination of large temporary variables, |E| in FZ_Mod_Exp needs to be replaced with an index into |Exponent|

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725201 << i deliberately did not do this, because it adds loc and saves 0 time ☝︎

apeloyee: I read that as "Word is guaranteed to be at least 16-bit wide also"

asciilifeform: i'm concerned with 1) timing leak 2) fits-in head --- strictly.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 10:23 apeloyee: asciilifeform: do you plan to test how much information about operands leaks as difference in power consumption? It looks plausible that multiplying 0*0 and maxint*maxint consume different amount of power.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725200 << i strongly suspect that this is a waste of time on pc, where even add and xor almost certainly consume variant current depending on operands ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725197 << this is so. idea of quoted thread was, i'd like to get ffa to where it uses strictly 2 machine types, 'Word' (whatever that is on whatever machine) and, say, 'Index', which is guaranteed to be mod 2**16 or larger. and get rid of all conversions. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 09:36 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724915 << http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/rm12_w_tc1/html/RM-3-5-4.html , paragraph 21: "the range of Integer shall include the range –2**15+1 .. +2**15–1"

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-14#1725195 << we don't use signed type for anything ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-07 19:30 asciilifeform: the interesting imho discovery is that heathen bignumtrons don't win much (or even any!) speed by normalizing the ints being added/subtracted

apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722378 << tried actually using mod-exp function, not just construcing mod-exp from multiplications and divisions? ☝︎

apeloyee: it seems I see how to squeeze out one more FZ-sized temporary from FZ_Mod_Exp, besides the ^^ and using a proper barrett; it will exacerbate the above-mentioned physical leakage, though... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XvDnd/?raw=true <- as usual, not tested. ☟︎☟︎

apeloyee: continuing elimination of large temporary variables, |E| in FZ_Mod_Exp needs to be replaced with an index into |Exponent| ☟︎

apeloyee: asciilifeform: do you plan to test how much information about operands leaks as difference in power consumption? It looks plausible that multiplying 0*0 and maxint*maxint consume different amount of power. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 22:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723058 << which op is it that only leaks 1 of its 2 operands ?

a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 15:17 asciilifeform: because 8 bits is not enough to index a useful number of 8-bit words

apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724915 << http://www.ada-auth.org/standards/rm12_w_tc1/html/RM-3-5-4.html , paragraph 21: "the range of Integer shall include the range –2**15+1 .. +2**15–1" ☝︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: shinohai: do we have a from-zero "install gpg, ... now you're in the #trilema wot" ? ☟︎

shinohai: mircea_popescu gibes me reddit account, I start trolling, now my head hurts: http://archive.is/tG3SX

hanbot: i googled trilema today, typing even four characters more on a tablet is annoying. Trilema, url, description, "Bitcoin" ... "MPEx" ... "I ate some pie"

deedbot: mircea_popescu rated rassah 1 at 2014/07/15 11:54:19 << Old timer.

mircea_popescu: (in case anyone's curious, rassah is random faggot mildly famous for having stolen his bf's cash to buy right before a jump and then proudly selling it all and buying a car. 2013 iirc.)

mircea_popescu: somehow the stealing-by-name thing is really deeply ingrained in the muppet skull by now.

shinohai: "Who cares about the Trilema guys. Let them use their own altcoin."

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ << Trilema - Cemetery Junction

shinohai: Maybe Preet can get a job there lol

mircea_popescu: in even further lulz, there apparently exists a dharvard university in indja.

shinohai: http://archive.is/cUss2 << Sadly there is no qntra for these lulz

mod6: ahh, gotcha. thx

asciilifeform: lispworld tradition.

BingoBoingo: Which I offered in reply to his first mention of 10mbps hoping he got the letters confused

BingoBoingo: I really need something much closer to 14 Gigabits per second. I understand that this will have a price attached to it."

BingoBoingo: For context that was his answer to: "

mircea_popescu: what is this lulz.

BingoBoingo: Looks like the Pinoys can't do it: "hello sir I'm sorry to inform you that it is not possible to met your requirement of 14Gigabits but our offer of 10mbps for 504 USD and we can upgrade that as your needs increase still stands." -jolo

mircea_popescu: apparently the black hat is black from pantsuit dust.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz - forum chick got warned for posting inappropriate content, in the shape of basically a rewrite of http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ (and a ton of bois pm-ing excitedly about "omg i saw that thread before it was deleted, r u real haxxor???").

asciilifeform: iirc there was a 'cpp ifaq'

asciilifeform: this is not bad time to ask the tuned-in folx, what parts of ffa they would like to see explained in moardetail.

mod6: i'm probably getting ahead of myself though. was just saying "*thumbs-up*" on comments.

mod6: perhaps -- i certainly think it's good to link l0gz in footnotes or whatnot. the what/why/how doc aught to summarize all of thinking/decision making that went into the code.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's notion was that he'd write it against a backdrop of 'why didja do x' in l0gz

mod6: but the comments I've seen in there are helpful, as long as they are accurate.

mod6: and ya, that's what i mean, more or less. what/why/how type of explanations.

mod6: i do also think there could be paragraphs even written around certain procedures in ffa. but not sure if that belongs in the code, or as a corresponding document outside of the code.

asciilifeform: or ben_vulpes , he did pretty good commentary to orig. vtron

asciilifeform: mod6: i will confess, very much not satisfied with the comments, prolly comments should be written by someone else -- perhaps mod6

mod6: asciilifeform: i like the added comments in there. keep it up.

asciilifeform: hats off to apeloyee for the tip.

asciilifeform: when it's my turn to get freislered, i'd like to be tried by ~that~ freisler.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that last pic dun work for all the diff it makes

mircea_popescu: not even a terrible gig

shinohai: "I prosecute all the meth-heads and STEAL THEIR STASH! Bwahahahaha"

asciilifeform: ^ head crown prosecutor of estonia ( at least at the time )

mircea_popescu: are the blades inside ?

asciilifeform was about to say 'no 1 spammer ever wrecked anything substantial' but then recalled usenet

mircea_popescu: an autistic child you didn't kill at the age of 7 will support a whole comicbook industry until age 70 ?

asciilifeform: exactly like the wp spammer discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014

asciilifeform: they're illiterates and chasing after imaginary moneys, while wrecking whatever they touch

mircea_popescu: "i tried stuffing all the stick and rock types i could find in all the holes that there were and even some that i made. why airplane not wash jocularstrap ???"

asciilifeform: this is what i think of sp4mz0rz of whatever type, incl. the ones with '1,000 servers' ( and previous years with 'million bots' ) etc

mircea_popescu: this is what i think when i think orc engineering

asciilifeform: back to spamschool for'em

mircea_popescu: "he tried to trick them"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out this lulz https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/facebook-new-accounts.979434/#post-10480716

mircea_popescu: well, these fucktards are going around looking for chtulhu.

asciilifeform: anyone recall this ?

mircea_popescu: will unavoidably come to gore.

mircea_popescu: this has apparently become a major psychological liability for the crowd, they imagine that since everything they ever encountered was safely behind bulletproof glass, that's "just how life is".

asciilifeform: it was in a trilema

asciilifeform: ( one difference, readily visible to naked eye, is that britney was made back when the sofas ~actually contained~ some pennies )

mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads. ☟︎

asciilifeform: gotta wonder how it was pictured to work -- 'if all the pennies in the sofas added up and made britney and coke, why not to make our shitcoin worth sumthing' ?

mircea_popescu: hey USG - take your useless sheep and drown them all for what anyone cares. seriously now.

mircea_popescu: basically the excel-powered secret agent strategy has become "try to disrupt bitcoin by creating fud on social media". which works to... disrupt usage by the usg's own muppets, the redditards, wikitards and assoerted other dust mongers ? which is somehow bad for bitcoin, or even noticeable or something ?

shinohai: This is the lulziest bit: " If you have transactions to make around late November, we suggest you buy some Ether in our wallet today. "

mircea_popescu: satoshi made an engineering mistake, taking the assumption the wrong way

mircea_popescu: the problem is that they're not automatically diffedrent just because they could be.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: you'll end up with node lists, fingerprinting, mothership identification, the whole shebang.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725038 << every time i sit down to think about this megaproblem , inevitably come to the conclusion that the threeway cut was a mistake ☝︎

asciilifeform: it is, to lift from another mircea_popescu article, 'a thrown brick, not airplane'

a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.