asciilifeform: what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day...

asciilifeform: but 'there is no when' is bullshit, you can ~create~ the 'when'.

asciilifeform: if your application needs agreement on time xxxx km away, you have no choice but to have synced cesium clock on each end.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this. ☝︎

asciilifeform: shinohai: snore.

asciilifeform: also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'.

asciilifeform: Run Moar Whitened RNG!!

asciilifeform: l0l!!

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451036 << ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1450999 << ip?! invitation for mitm? ☝︎

asciilifeform: this smacks of the proverbial 'for 20k, i drill my OWN holez!'

asciilifeform has deeply nfi, will believe mircea_popescu.

asciilifeform: certainly didn't rot in no office.

asciilifeform: the man was a boxer!

asciilifeform: anybody

asciilifeform: mod6: if you're young/pretty you can fuck for phreeee, sure

asciilifeform: i dun get this, a healthy bloke reloads in 10, 20 (if he shoveled dirt all day) min.

asciilifeform: the 'rare erection' thing is only even possible to picture if you discount the billion frustrated teenagers walking around hard 24/7

asciilifeform: erection is literally cheapest thing in known earth.

asciilifeform: this is still a mega-puzzler

asciilifeform: thin the queue, make moar?

asciilifeform: for there being a queue 25km long, vs the fiddybux whore's 1km ?

asciilifeform: but because why doesn't the high-quality one charge moar

asciilifeform: i did not say 'sucks because high mileage'

asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu telling me that 'expensive whore' is 'veblen good' ? (if he is, i will believe him, i know ~as much re whoring as about deep ocean currents)

asciilifeform: how strawman ?

asciilifeform: but cheap whore is precisely same as expensive?!

asciilifeform: 2000 car is quite different from 200,000

asciilifeform: i am somewhat floored that mircea_popescu appears to think whoring to be exempt from ordinary market mechanisms!

asciilifeform: but nobody - for 200.

asciilifeform: plenty of folks allah snackbar into small pieces for 0.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i said 200, specifically not 0

asciilifeform: anything useful at all?

asciilifeform: let's try different profession. can mircea_popescu infer anything from the fact that mr joe programmer writes entire project for 200 bux ?

asciilifeform: anything useful at all?

asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu proposes that i cannot infer anything interesting from the fact that chick fucks for 20bux ?

asciilifeform straps on gas mask

asciilifeform: this sophism won't work better than all the previous ones either, l0l

asciilifeform: gotta form hypothesis.

asciilifeform: naturalist cannot afford to treat every blade of grass as a particular!

asciilifeform: but all meaningfully related.

asciilifeform: well just as there is no 'american beer', there are only concrete pisswaters

asciilifeform: (that is mostly pisswater)

asciilifeform: and drink some 'beer'

asciilifeform: mod6: you can also eat 'chocolate' from the pharmacy, aha

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: yeah but then you bang something that bangs for 20+taco

asciilifeform: as many teeth, that many benjies, price!

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: like british sailors, eating their maggoty biscuits

asciilifeform: unless you want to use a blindfold

asciilifeform: so no fiddybux deal.

asciilifeform: iirc serviceable chix cost 4figs in most of usaschwitz

asciilifeform: y'know, like an illegal taxi

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no i meant anonymous you-can-be-anybody-so-long-as-you-got-dough sort of thing

asciilifeform: and of course there is the inevitable whoring app, but that'd have to use coin and is still waiting for wot folk to do it

asciilifeform long wondered why there is not the next logical step for uber & airbnb - 'restaurant' where you show up to somebody's house and he cooks for you

asciilifeform goes ~100km on a typical day

asciilifeform: (the typical modern auto is built to fall apart within 1% or somesuch of the day the credit is paid off)

asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu knew this.

asciilifeform: perhaps this is when to point out that they do not in fact ~own~ the things

asciilifeform: if i only ever drove to places where i actually ~wanted~ to be, i might not hate it.

asciilifeform: mats: but i can't really separate the reason for hating it from my hatred of working.

asciilifeform: i very much do.

asciilifeform: do you pull the pin every day??

asciilifeform: how about the frag ?

asciilifeform: mats: do you fire the kalash every day ? how about the electron microscope ?

asciilifeform: but what i was pointing out was that building unmodified (sourcewise) linux proggies to run on shitblowz was baked long, long ago

asciilifeform: yeah this'd be something else

asciilifeform: phf: ah

asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> which by the way i use regularly to great effect << aha, recall, i even used 'uber'

asciilifeform: <phf> asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~? << no, built locally. but unmodified SOURCES

asciilifeform: phf: i beg to differ- i had not only x11 built under cygwin long ago (at usg gig!) but ratpoison, firefox, 1,001 unmodified linux proggies

asciilifeform: or they could buy & enslave 'cygwin', which was this already.

asciilifeform: i routinely use, e.g., ida pro under 'wine' over x11 over tcp.

asciilifeform: phf: even gtk apps work fine on gigabit lan

asciilifeform: the microshitifucation of linux will not be truly complete until users have to grunt with 'remote desktop' idiocy

asciilifeform: and iirc 'wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box' ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450713 << gtk & sdl ride happily on top of x... ☝︎

asciilifeform: but it ~blows my mind~ that, in world where there is an x11, idiot derps for DECADES successfully peddled 'remote desktop' atrocities

asciilifeform: (as discussed in an old mircea_popescu thread, there ~is~ room for improvement.)

asciilifeform: who can fully apprehend that 30 MOTHERFUCKING YEARS was not enough to make ANY notable improvement on xwindows?!!!!111

asciilifeform: (the fact that virtually ALL of their products shipped WITH SOURCE, also somehow did not affect it)

asciilifeform: but somehow the company's reputation as 'evil vendor of closed $maxint machinery' did not thereby perish.

asciilifeform: instead of buying a symbolics console for the cost of a 'toyota'

asciilifeform: this was so that buyer could use, e.g., a 'sun', as a console

asciilifeform: just for the ui.

asciilifeform: note, these were lispms, and they implemented x protocol.

asciilifeform: and there is STILL not.

asciilifeform: there was literally ~nothing~ that beat this, then.

asciilifeform: symbolics co. sold quite a few boxes ~the only~ UI to which was x11 over the lan. ☟︎

asciilifeform: here's an observation,

asciilifeform: if it were 50kB of c, it might've been intriguing.

asciilifeform: ergo useless.

asciilifeform: and it appears that i could not push arbitrary moving pictures through it, or use 'ratpoison'

asciilifeform: 1.1MB TGZ of src !11 this does not appear to be in any serious way 'lighter' or more fits-in-head-sy than x11.

asciilifeform: 'If you want to compare MGR to the X Window System, you might consider the MGR server as something like a combination of an X server + window manager + xterm, but with xterm's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation and its DEC VT100 emulation in the same window.' << looks to me like it is of archaeological interest solely

asciilifeform: learn the trick trick learnerz haet!1111

asciilifeform: 10 wayz to write 10 waiz list !1111

asciilifeform: gogol's 'dead souls'.