asciilifeform: once the gangrene sets in, you either freeze your toolchain or give up work. ☟︎

asciilifeform: but there is not actually any escape from it.

asciilifeform: and yes, people try to dodge it because it requires work.

asciilifeform: this is pretty much the only answer.

asciilifeform: the only solution to this kind of shit is to BURN it out with HOT IRONS.

asciilifeform: just as i would have never even known about 'flycheck' if i didn't come across a broken (since fixed, by hand) macos emacs.

asciilifeform: or nobody in his right mind would consider their crapolade.

asciilifeform: they HAVE to break your working box.

asciilifeform: phf: you gotta understand their modus operandi

asciilifeform: according to flies.

asciilifeform: so Must Die

asciilifeform: but oh noez it already existed and predated the flies

asciilifeform: whereas flymake uses your own makefile, which can be ANYTHING.

asciilifeform: then you try it and find that if you need custom compiler flags (or, satan forbid, a non-x86 gcc) you're SHIT out of luck

asciilifeform: and yet if you go ~anywhere you will read 'flymake is OBSOLETE!1111 use flycheck'

asciilifeform: it was a shit sandwich ANY WAY YOU CUT IT

asciilifeform: of any kind whatsoever

asciilifeform: the case of flycheck was especially instructive because, near as i could tell, the thing provided ZERO advantage over flymake

asciilifeform: phf: definitely mule

asciilifeform: e.g., in a few years a n00b looking for 'web server' will find ten qeergendered flycheckesque atrocities and - if he is very very lucky - one 'hunchentoot' in a state of disrepair

asciilifeform: common lisp verminization will proceed on the same schedule as the emacs one, i imagine

asciilifeform: it is like crack cocaine, to them.

asciilifeform: there is apparently nothing more alluring to the vermin than a not-yet-verminized ecosystem ☟︎

asciilifeform: but then somebody realized that it was next on the 'embrace & extinguish' chopping block, and the 'flychecks' appeared.

asciilifeform: traditionally, the populist chickenbrains folks avoided emacs like plague

asciilifeform: phf: the emacs tumour (see logz, the 'flycheck' thread) is what really blew my mind ☟︎

asciilifeform: it's london 1600s all over again.

asciilifeform: ah if in that sense, there are 60 y.o. 'kids' and why do we need them.

asciilifeform: iirc, e.g., gabriel_laddel, is a young fella

asciilifeform: how's that

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: ~as interesting as talking to pigeons.

asciilifeform: i have nfi why anyone here even bothers with reddit today. ☟︎

asciilifeform: deleted already ?

asciilifeform: l0lz

asciilifeform: 'do business with keys' (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: still need a hard point of trust to know the genuine public key

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454940 << thing is, and see today's earlier thread in fact, pgp per se does not magic away the 'give me a place to stand on' problem ☝︎

asciilifeform: just as i would never know about mpex if mircea_popescu had not awakened me from my cave.

asciilifeform: i'm willing to believe that there are other pgptronic businesses, 'other mpexes', but strictly on the same basis as 'life on other planets', i have no knowledge of it

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-discuss-datskovskiys-discussion-of-mpex << it

asciilifeform: specifically mircea_popescu's reply to same

asciilifeform: didn't we do this way back when, when i wrote the mpex review

asciilifeform: re the 'trust and machines' thread,

asciilifeform: depends how the disposable key is revealed, and where.

asciilifeform: you can't have 'fried ice'

asciilifeform: as for 'non-repudiability post-hoc', see the epic gossipd thread in the logz.

asciilifeform: i.e. the session key being revealed.

asciilifeform: i described the basic essence

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: the idiot complications of usgtronic otr protocols are irrelevant.

asciilifeform: so until time T, recipient ~knows~ that message could only have been sent by mircea_popescu, but at time T+e it could-have-been-from-anyone as far as the confiscator, who finds the records, is concerned.

asciilifeform: so the non-repudiatability of the message only lasts for as long as the two parties wish, and no longer.

asciilifeform: incidentally if mircea_popescu really needed to solve this 'problem', he easily could, in cryptography world this is known as 'otr protocol', you encipher to a public key generated for the occasion, and the private key for it is later thrown to the wind for hypothetically anyone to know

asciilifeform: why hand out crosses to users for usg to nail them to.

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: prolly why mircea_popescu specifically does not spit out such receips, i thought this was clear from the thread

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: what miracles did we see last april ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: myhouseschwitz

asciilifeform: good, ol'-fashioned malware stuff. if the deal pans out.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: in other nyooz, asciilifeform is very very near to an escape from butugychag.

asciilifeform: still works, albeit less efficient, if less than halfway in.

asciilifeform: lenz's law.

asciilifeform: actually aluminum disk will turn if embedded halfway into a 60hz field

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: i can think of a few tricks that won't be immediately apparent.

asciilifeform: possibly even something involving a pulsed magnet near the gear tooth.

asciilifeform: several ways to do it

asciilifeform: or roller, against wheel

asciilifeform: thin shaft into the gears, yes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read the piece. some italian finally managed to miniaturize the thing into the frame

asciilifeform: discharges into motor - uphill.

asciilifeform: supercap charges when going downhill

asciilifeform: sorta like what is found in fancy bikes from jp

asciilifeform: electric motor.

asciilifeform: unrelated lulz: https://geektimes.ru/post/274562 << old suspicions of bicyclist racers with hidden motors finally proven.

asciilifeform: l0l,vintage

asciilifeform: good nyooz is that all the !b's can be processed retroactively...

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: as in the thread re biological process of 'i am not my mother!1111'

asciilifeform: sometimes dun matter what you know or not.

asciilifeform: thinkaboutit

asciilifeform: my first paying job was to observe telomeres shortening. so i understand this process pretty well. BUT mine are not any longer from this!!111

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: the mens sana in corpore sano folx

asciilifeform: circles get raped by the motherfucking athenians tho.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate plox ?

asciilifeform: phf is not wrong

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you have any idea what, e.g., i, could do with a whole month !

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even something as basic as ~time~

asciilifeform: no shit

asciilifeform: pretty much the whole of usgology boils down to 'keep folks with brains from accessing the boojum'

asciilifeform: when somebody with half a brain gets the bottle, all bets off.

asciilifeform: whatcanisay.

asciilifeform: some draft animals have 2 legz

asciilifeform: any time you see 'below random shot' result, sit and think !

asciilifeform: 'in every private's rucksack, a marshall's baton' (napoleon!)

asciilifeform: consider the folks who often rise up in times of civil war etc

asciilifeform: in ACTUAL random distrib, you often get a winner

asciilifeform: i.e. the folks who play lotto, are selected in practice for dullness