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mircea_popescu: except there is such a thing as spurious detail.

assbot: A Brief Primer on Anycast ... ( http://bit.ly/1fh0oG0 )

decimation: https://blog.cloudflare.com/a-brief-anycast-primer/ < cloudflare describes how they do it

mircea_popescu: anyway, all this is (as you prolly expect it from shit i do) very much experimental. trying to actually make a site where users can safely use their ips.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206424 << he has a point there. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i think they spent a coupla million real dollars on that gateway

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:09:25; decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel?

mircea_popescu: anyway, zee germans have gained a very petty habit of being miserable to the people they owe gratitude to. no hitler statues, put that kohl fellow in jail...

mircea_popescu: and because exhausted by a decade of war etc

mircea_popescu: specifically re 13 : if isis submits a bid to buy out raytheon, this proposal will not go to the shareholders. it will go to a so called "anti trust regulator" or w/e, which will reject it.

mircea_popescu: he didn't act in a supportive manner throughout.

decimation: it's a fair point, he probably didn't believe it in his heart of hearts

mircea_popescu: not that the guy is pointedly "against populism", admitting for the sake of argument that tyhe concept even holds meaning outside of its proper reference (it is after all a notion of democracy). but then again the bar for "not being x" is not "being patently against x"

mircea_popescu: still a stretch neh ?

decimation: "7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich."

mircea_popescu: (great film btw, murphy is the heir to the throne of zamunda, pursues some ugly nigglet in queens. who doesn't like him because he's rich, and to their assheads at the time in the 80s this is a flaw)_

assbot: Turns out you wanted Hitler after all. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1fgZ1XL )

decimation: umm, our discussion about this a few nights ago? http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/17/turns-out-you-wanted-hitler-after-all/

decimation: yeah, but the main point is that hitler was a populist dictator who actually delievered on his promises to a great degree

mircea_popescu: as hitler correctly figured out (and plainly said so) , the only future of germany as a nation lay in the destruiction of britain as an empire.

mircea_popescu: so a slightly larger germany. still no different from the previous situation.

mod6: don't challenge me to a spelling contest, i'll lose.

mod6: yeah. well, i think i'll just prune by hand if I do at all. like i was saying earlier, im a bit paranoid now that some script might later accidentially remove the dirs if they're rendered empty.

decimation: I suspect you are gonna need a shell script, like ascii suggested.

mod6: there's a bunch of lines that reference it actually, and no, i was hoping to get rid of these barnacles without having to change other files.

decimation: it's pretty likely we would have germany+us+ussr today, or at least they would have been a 'triumvirate' during the cold war

decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#822058 < and often a 'populist' megalomaniac ☝︎

ben_vulpes: i am clearly not elite enough to set my own priorities, otherwise i'd be down on the beach with a margarita and my laptop

phf: it's totally a makefile.unix artifact, since building with cmake/clang works without them

ben_vulpes: i've been able to get on the computer for maybe 10 minutes max at a stretch over the past few days, or i'd take a crack at it myself and figure it out

ben_vulpes: mod6: re gitkeeps do we even know why those empty dirs are necessary for a succesful compile? ☟︎

decimation: it's not unlike the ddos/spam problem mentioned earlier - each entity sees the street and sewer vaults as a zone to stuff shit for 'free'

decimation: http://www.popsci.com/those-nitrogen-canisters-nyc-streets-are-keeping-your-internet-cables-cool "“We’ve done a lot of work to get these off the street,” Johnson said. “It’s a big expense. This is not our business.” Just refilling the tank costs about $100, Diachok said, which they have to do every day to every three days. Right now in the city, Verizon has 54 tanks at 28 sites, and that number goes up in the winter when t

asciilifeform: not to mention that dry air machine is a large, central thing, and needs intact ducts

decimation: low noise amps is a possibility

asciilifeform: and a peer discrimination mechanism.

asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 64 connections on s.nsa node - a new record

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mod6: <+mod6> so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories. << so if i do remove them by hand, have to ensure that these empty dirs wont get nuked later on accident

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 18:34:53; mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke.

mod6: <+punkman> mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. << I dunno why patch was needed for this, just remove them manually in next release << yeah, i mentioned that after the fact lastnight. but was discussed here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206370 << this makes sense. ☝︎

asciilifeform: punkman: bottled dry gas is not a standard feature of copper phone grid!

asciilifeform: i do not know how long they have been there, but would dare to guess that it is since the flood a few yrs ago

phf: i think maybe getblocks already works like "get block N" where n is block height. client sends out his top block on a chain, and server responds with a sequences (?) of blocks from then on

asciilifeform: punkman: i have yet to conceive of any wedge or other undesirable effect from it, other than a bit of wasted bandwidth

punkman: asciilifeform: I don't really have a theory. are we sure that nuked orphanage can't cause more wedges?

punkman: mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. << I dunno why patch was needed for this, just remove them manually in next release

asciilifeform: the hose disappears into a telco pit

phf: well, that's certainly a way to cut gordian knot

decimation: actually such a command would be very useful for a 'fork detector'

asciilifeform: i see nothing wrong with a 'get block N' command.

phf: asciilifeform: of course the easiest option is to add a new network command, that does a sane request for initial block chain parts, but i think it can still be done within the framework of current sync model

decimation: asciilifeform: was that taken at a zoo?

decimation: yeah, it's a fair point. that point has been made

asciilifeform: phf: it would be absolutely trivial to send blocks in a sane way to compatible clients. 'embrace & extend' protocol

decimation: jurov: I was envision the miners paying for your caches, on the assumption that most folks won't want to pay a third party to clearn bitcoin

phf: mucking around with the code that desides what blocks to send to a requesting client

phf: asciilifeform: it's not a permanent stuck, but a slowdown. i haven't sent out that orphanage graph that i posted some time ago, because i'm still kicking shit around, but the beahior that you can see from it, is that blocks are sent out as multiple subchains. when a subchain arrives that's missing a parent subchain, it gets rejected many times over and over, until parent subchain is filled in. i think the behavior can be improved by

decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive ☟︎

asciilifeform: it will snap shut, and a new set will be born

asciilifeform: if the miners want to march into a usg mousetrap, no problem

phf: re: orphanage, i'm still investigating, but there's no reason why we can't have a better initial sync block handoff strategy, that doesn't get stock, because some parent in an orphanage subchain failed to get sent out

asciilifeform: it was just a piece of shit stuck to the skin, not a tumour

decimation: the pre-digital version was expecting some kind of handout/human attenion being paid to a stranger

decimation: yeah it's a fair point

asciilifeform: decimation: re: the orphanages, if you have them at all, what you're doing is 'i'll store this piece of shit on your say-so, and MAYBE it will be shown to be a valid block (rx) later'

asciilifeform: there is NO circumventing this, because ultimately it is a thermodynamic law

asciilifeform: there is a basic principle which applies equally to the 'orphanage' discussions and to today's ddos thread: NEVER give derps something valuable just for showing up

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the whole thing's a parody.

decimation: my earlier proposal of 'charging per packet routed' is a jungle way of implementing this

asciilifeform: decimation: attacker cannot glean identity from an rsa-encrypted packet sent to a known public key

asciilifeform: decimation: this is rather like saying 'proposed something like a chair, except that it flies through space and takes pictures'

assbot: 10 results for 'cjdns' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cjdns

asciilifeform: and since we aren't a usg wankatron like tor, there is no reason for all of the 'gates' to be publicly advertised

asciilifeform: a network that a wotless wolf cannot even connect to in any meaningful sense.

asciilifeform: jurov: understand that the solution has to be deployed as a network, rather than in one point

decimation: it might add a tiny bit of latency

decimation: probably could go to opencores right now and find a crypto block

decimation: now, the scammer could discover a 'credited ip' and run down its account

asciilifeform: a stateful solution is ipso facto a wrong solution.

decimation: you could put a packet counter pretty easily

asciilifeform: (iirc one of us suggested this experiment nearly a year ago, but noted that the proper whitehouse oughta be used)

asciilifeform: so why did mircea_popescu clobber a random derp site ?

decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel? ☟︎

assbot: The lulz of today, or "you think it's only some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKLzL8 )

decimation: I thought it was a porn site

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu whitehouse .org ?! iirc that was a parody site...

decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html < " Google, of course, claims the fact that it would rather hire out of East Bosnia than East Palo Alto is a competitive trade secret. Well, I suppose. Curiously enough, Apple, Yahoo, and Oracle share the same secret. Ha, ha! Is it a secret to you? It's not a secret to me!"

decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/silicon-valley-struggles-to-hack-its-diversity-problem/2015/07/16/0b0144be-2053-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html < lol the 'google is racisis' shoe is dropping, as predicted by anyone with a brain

mod6: maybe the best option is to add a one line shell script that just does: `find . -name ".gitignore" -exec rm '{}' \;`

mod6: i might just be dumb. build a test env with http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt and see if anyone can get the rm_gitignore.patch file to apply without removing the obj/test obj/nogui or obj-test dirrs

mod6: so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories.

asciilifeform: possibly ought to be a shell script rather than patch.

mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. seems easy enough, so crated a quick patch, attempted to apply, worked fine -- I didn't notice that it blew away the directories as well though. : obj/test obj/nogui obj-test

mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: it removes files by shitting out the whole file as a minus sign delta

mod6: i searched lastnight for a looong time to find anything to tell patch to no prune empty directories, but it doesnt seem like an available option.

mod6: So this can be used as a test platform for all the patches, etc. . If you're really ambitious you can install gentoo as above ^^ then use this to pull down the v0.5.3.1 basecode and apply these patches: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt

mod6: oh and there is a new Gentoo guide for nomultilib/glibc -- I created it yesterday & trinque verified as well: