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asciilifeform: nonleaves
asciilifeform: leaf must depend only on nonlenleaves.
asciilifeform: thing is, i realized a while back that a leaf depending on other leaves at all, is abuse of v
asciilifeform: realize, v was something that i was specifically only able to conceive of because i am working with cultured folks who can be relied upon to not shit in the kitchen. operating vtron will always require a good measure of intelligence, wisdom, restraint...
asciilifeform: there is no handy technopill against cycle
asciilifeform: for instance, and i warned of this from the beginning, v operators are trusted never to create cycles.
asciilifeform: my v works when among gentlemen
asciilifeform: i am not certain that we have a problem !
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: suddenly the simplicity aspect would be lost.
asciilifeform: it would permit nonviable chimeras, for instance
asciilifeform: but it has serious down sides
asciilifeform: i suggested this, iirc, last september
asciilifeform: i suggested at one point, to uncouple them
asciilifeform: namely 'patchons', actual dependent gibblets, are grouped into patches
asciilifeform: the basic confusion comes from how we have two uncoupled things tied together with rope
asciilifeform: i still use it
asciilifeform: my vtron was very much a battlefield wunderwaffen, adequate strictly for pressing a well-gardened trb tree that consisted 95% of asciilifeform
asciilifeform: this was clearly explained. then various folks tried to derive a means to auto sort leaves in some meaningful way
asciilifeform: well recall , my vtron was incomplete in the aspect where it assumed that any leaf was pressable per se
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform will have to actually read mod6's thing before commenting further
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: well phf was , i think, speaking of the basic vtron conceptually
asciilifeform: and his
asciilifeform: mine
asciilifeform: what of it ?
asciilifeform: and yes, because they share a hash
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464711 << mno. it communicates 'you need this patch and its antecedents' ☝︎
asciilifeform: l0l!!
asciilifeform: sorta aha
asciilifeform has own automata
asciilifeform: a few min ago.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-lol re above, given as i saw an 'official' ar diplomatic tango demo today!
asciilifeform: perhaps he might supply another when he wakes up.
asciilifeform: where there was not strict all-must-match.
asciilifeform: my understanding was that he was making use of loose coupling somehow
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu , re phf's observation
asciilifeform: and for ENTIRE file set.
asciilifeform: if hash-in mismatches - patch MUST fail. ditto if hash-out does.
asciilifeform: the 'acres of crays', already quite famous then - space heaters!1111
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: http://www.crypto.com/papers/export.txt << by same author, another vintage lol, re the idiocy of ruleoflaw
asciilifeform: in other nonnyooz, http://www.crypto.com/papers/keylength.nsa.txt << lulzy vintage disinfo and its dissection
asciilifeform: like pre-otis lifts.
asciilifeform: and to the extent v can be coaxed into behaving outside of this envelope, it is incomplete
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464630 << yes! ☝︎
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, but interestingly, http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/bramah
asciilifeform: about as thick, and long, as my thumb.
asciilifeform: l0l! largest wasp i've ever seen. barely fit through the vac hose!
asciilifeform: if it isn't, then it isn't complete.
asciilifeform: rather than a helpful feature.
asciilifeform: the fact that gnudiff will happily patch mismeshing file trees in certain circumstances is, from our pov, BRAINDAMAGE
asciilifeform: phf: if anything conflicts -> no go.
asciilifeform: this is not without historic basis, but still lulzy.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: concern is that embassy of 'neutral' country is a great place to betray the motherland to kgb. or the like.
asciilifeform: ask hitler, not me.
asciilifeform: because - potentially - 'what if goes in but never comes out' - or the like.
asciilifeform: what was lulzier was that apparently 'top seeekrit' apparatchiks are not permitted to attend such shows, at least without special dispensation from company chekist
asciilifeform is back from mega-expo at, among other places, ar embassy. very lulzy.
asciilifeform: Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) << if the submitter is to be believed !
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464467 << BEHOLD! key circa 2011, UPDATED 2012!111111111111 bock can eat shit ☝︎
asciilifeform: the 'hash must match' is the only path to 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain one hundred percent'
asciilifeform: because gnudiff has no notion of semantics of the language, only dumb linear text
asciilifeform: 'no conflict' is fuzzy and introduces potential of subtle breakage
asciilifeform: *gilding
asciilifeform: 'same hash' is the correct v.
asciilifeform: the lily needs no guilding.
asciilifeform: had it last june even iirc.
asciilifeform: srsly
asciilifeform: bottom right hand side!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464444 << button on every key page!!!! ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464426 << somebody's key? ☝︎
asciilifeform: bbet moved?!
asciilifeform: 23561/38479; 1281531/1298527
asciilifeform: 'Standards bureaucracies like the Linux Foundation (which consumed the Free Standards Group in its' ever-growing accretion disk years ago) happily document and add to this sort of complexity without ever trying to understand why it was there in the first place. 'Ken and Dennis leaked their OS into the equivalent of home because an RK05 disk pack on the PDP-11 was too small" goes whoosh over their heads.'
asciilifeform: 'The /bin vs /usr/bin split (and all the others) is an artifact of this, a 1970's implementation detail that got carried forward for decades by bureaucrats who never question _why_ they're doing things. It stopped making any sense before Linux was ever invented, for multiple reasons...'
asciilifeform: (via kako)
asciilifeform: http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html
asciilifeform: unrelated lulz,
asciilifeform: worx
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: message did not say how many you need
asciilifeform: got it.
asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform: resend plox
asciilifeform: quite possibly you did and it got lost
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i forget, did you ever give me a place to send shirts to
asciilifeform: don't host it on the missile control box.
asciilifeform: iirc it can't shell but can infinite loop.
asciilifeform: trinque: neato
asciilifeform: no moar gribble ??
asciilifeform: uh
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 17126/38479; 1272349/1298527
asciilifeform: just picture, sausage finger, german helmet, on his 'hog' !
asciilifeform: i bet alikim picture mircea_popescu on a 'harley' even.
asciilifeform bbl
asciilifeform: argh
asciilifeform: quit
asciilifeform: trinque: what's it mean to 'own an earth' ?