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mircea_popescu: i don't seem to be much bothered by either, but sure.
assbot: "Why I am not a white nationalist" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TEBrV7 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/#selection-933.0-933.687 << related, mostly because of the "The world belongs to the active, not to the thoughtful."
asciilifeform: ^ speaking of which, brings back to the point of whether mr mold is a disinfo agent. not that i can say definitively, but imho the best argument that he is not, is the difficulty of formulating a picture of a hypothetical 'moldbug minus the restraint' who does ~not~ advocate inaction
asciilifeform: whether it was on account of boredom, i never learned
asciilifeform: phun phakt: when i worked in u.s. army, a guard on the campus did just that
decimation: but I would also note that 'come be an inside reformer' is also a usg recruitment trick
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, i had to spend half my fucking life yelling at people that "the difference between stupid and smart is that stupid can't be smart, BUT SMART CAN BE STUPID. IF YOU'RE UNWILLING TO EVER BE STUPID YOUR SMART'S JUST ANOTHER FLAVOUR OF DUMB!1111"
jurov: i was jesting
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course i'd believe. even met some
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna run it up myself because she was instrumented to test i dun recall what and i fear messing it up.
jurov runs crying to mircea_popsecu "i broke eulora again and chetty isn't around!!!"
mircea_popescu: oops i mean here : http://www.romanialibera.ro/cultura/dialogul-herta-muller-gabriel-liiceanu--moment-istoric-pentru-cultura-romana-200986
mircea_popescu: i remember reading that at some point and not being impressed. prolly the log has my expletives, ima look.
decimation: asciilifeform: I kinda arrived at this thesis from a theological perspective earlier, which is also why moldbug appealed
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i fundamentally do not like the guy because he reads exactly like andrei plesu, gabriel liiceanu or an entire smattering of entirely identical superficially "cultured", inept and impotent romanian "intellectuals" of the "Resistence throguh culture" brand).
mircea_popescu: i wonder where he picked up the tidbit.
asciilifeform: moldbug, i will point out, speaks not one language save his native engl. that he was able to reconstruct even a semblance of coherent picture of anything while sitting in the anglo junkyard, is remarkable by itself
mircea_popescu: i think tacitus lived in a marble tub his entire life, in a museum in illyricum.
mircea_popescu: "What would Tacitus make of this? Frankly, I'm not sure he could even process it." << hot damned...
asciilifeform: i for one, when first encountered mircea_popescu's articles, scarfed'em up on account of a feeling of 'like mr mold but without the latter's impotent thrashing and cultural illiteracy'
mircea_popescu: so i write an article with a cultural grounding introduction referencing newman and proceed to the historical discussion, some guy writes (a decade prior) an article using tacitus in thesame function and casually mentioning garfield todd
mircea_popescu: like "In fact, what Power really means is that a government "cannot survive indefinitely" if it defies the wishes of the international community. Ie, of, well - Power. Here we have the ultimate cause of Rhodesia's destruction. I believe this is a clear and undisputed fact."
mircea_popescu: alright, fine assumption, but i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: decimation ah ok i see what you mean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a few months ago, i reread a selection of mr mold, and it struck me as loudly, profanely stinking of 'resistance through culture'
mircea_popescu: <trinque> asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt? << it's a very specific locus to east european "anticomunism" of the contemptible kind.
mircea_popescu: this guy's got a pretty fantastic racket. i hope i won't next hear i've heard about bitcoin from curtis yarvin.
mircea_popescu: decimation not that i know. link to what inspired me maybe ?
asciilifeform: i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044 ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might say that it is because mr mold has no balls. i would say that i cannot comment on whether he has balls, but will point out that having a brain is a handicap if contemplating active resistance to usg, without support of foreign army, from inside its walls
trinque: asciilifeform: is that where I protest the patriarchy by wearing a skirt?
decimation: I always figured you were inspired by him
decimation: mircea_popescu: I think that was after moldbug's article
trinque: I read about as much of his little manifesto as I could be bothered to
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I would agree with that too
asciilifeform: decimation: i was arguing even beyond 'unable to comprehend the parts about how this kind of action is hopeless' to 'clinically retarded'
decimation: in modern times, I suspect that's the case, yes
mircea_popescu: oh i thought it was the police station guy
decimation: I guess
decimation: his logic went somethingl ike 1.) found out black people suck 2.) "We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.
decimation: yeah I don't get how this 'black church postal' guy accomplished anything
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
asciilifeform: when i moved here, as a boy, i was constantly puzzled as to why whole wash.,d.c. region is covered in signs depicting... a ship going uphill! >> http://www.lehi-ut.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/snap.a1.gif
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, men tend to value "fuck me then i take off" girls the most, coworkers less than that and wives even less.
asciilifeform: i was expecting an analogy between receiving free energy from the aether and hypothetical easy short-circuit solution to problem of what to fuck
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm not an inquisitor and cannot comment re: whether the sisters were fucked in reality, or in imagination, and if so, whos
asciilifeform: (and the impression i got was that the dunbaricity was the ~only~ thing that made the mechanics halfway plausible..?)
mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enou ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i am aware. this makes it not work quite specifically.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even jewish.
mircea_popescu: it would take me about a month of "earth time" to own one of their townlets, i reckon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i meant was, extract a lesson from the story, or extract the juice from the folks portrayed therein
shinohai: @ asciilifeform therefore I post for newcomers to understand why tor is smacktarded.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that a) the "economic" model contemplated by the naive socialist pseudo-anarchists cooking up the story is broken and b) anyone aged 16 who can't figure out how to extract value out of it should go hang.
asciilifeform: and results in equal amount of 'what am i, the single ant, to do, wtf' after reading.
mircea_popescu: well i guess ima read it
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.
mircea_popescu: i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.
mircea_popescu: now that i dunno.
asciilifeform: well, is it possible for me to apprehend the correct terms, whatever they might be, or do i need some of nubbins's lsd ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo today i saw the classic 'mosin' for sale; costing roughly 3x what i last remember seeing...
jurov: i can easily imagine elephat drowning in shit
asciilifeform: (or i imagine that it would, if it could)
asciilifeform: when i say 'ineffective,' my thought is 'usg can survive as many of these as are ever likely to appear'
mircea_popescu: "hey, this isn't the best plan i ever heard"
mircea_popescu: as you do, i mean.
mircea_popescu: if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.
mircea_popescu: which i guess makes sense. to them, anyway.
asciilifeform: so far best i can think of is 'solzhenitsyn's axe' argument
asciilifeform: what i'm seeing with the 'postals' is something like what tlp saw
mircea_popescu: i can but shrug.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.
asciilifeform: re: the question of 'when prospered', little story. today i went again to the argentinian fella (who was thrilled that i had visited his home town) to get major work on my car. took a while, and as i always do, went to the antique shops which surround the place for miles around. and, as before, noticed that the artifacts are chronologically upper-bounded around 1955.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as fan
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only marginal avenue for all that is claiming mussolini's claimed italian revival was genuine. i speak the language and do not believe the theory, in agreement with the vast bulk of native speakers.
mircea_popescu: 1890 probably closest available. it IS possible china is prospering atm, i am blind and clueless
mircea_popescu: arguably it's right here, but i think it's early for that.
asciilifeform: what planet can i visit to meet sane+civilized ?
asciilifeform: (orlov's '5 stages' book, as well as of course 400 yrs of euro 'wish i were an amerind' material, ends with just this)
mircea_popescu: no. i don't think your idea of "aims" actually applies to them.
asciilifeform: i'm balking at the idea that the 'how' is this mystical thing that one cannot even attempt to apprehend
asciilifeform: i get the idea that 'many raindrops -> flood.' but where is the flood ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think any of these actually works in this context.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so.
asciilifeform: i'd like to believe that 'happened.' but want to know ~how~. e.g., are there fewer usg cops today than last week? is the fed printing fewer usd ? what, precisely, is this mark.
mircea_popescu: his name i will record, everyone else's - no call.
mircea_popescu: i actually think he is more respectable than pretty much every surviving american.
mircea_popescu: i do not think this guy is retarded.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it has anything to do with smart.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:24:13; mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
asciilifeform: unless i have him symlinked mentally with a similar fella
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 17:04:21; pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169664 << pretty sure i met herr spandrell at handle's party ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:23:56; mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the i
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169594 << i read that comment differently - that genetic garbage will not turn into something else regardless of where schooled ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure that i did.
asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ? ☟︎
punkman: yeah I'd rather do airgap on laptop with battery than desktop
thestringpuller: i'm real tired of your shit gavin andressen