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phf: "The need for Harmony arose out of me not finding any suitably powerful sound solution in Lisp. I
tried doing a pure Lisp solution at first, but was not able
to figure out how
to make
things go fast without sacrificing design. So, in
the interest of performance, I first set out
to write a C library
that does
the essential sound computations for me.
This library is called libmixed."
mircea_popescu: somewhere on
trilema
the record of "o noes, people FOR NO REASON increased prices, when we're
totally gonna win war", but gotta split so will look for it later.
mircea_popescu: the epitome of
this being of course
teh austro-hungarians cca 1914.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 18:35 mircea_popescu:
trinque i'll dare say it's something else. have you ever seen "a man for all seasons" ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of bots, lobbes is your idea
to genesis lobbesbot ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aha. afaik
that's
the dogma
to
this day, "whenever you feel like someone's branch can be your genesis"
trinque: rather
than #ifdef or *features*-ing
the hell out of
the code
trinque: I proposed
that as a better solution
to portability a while back
trinque: better stated, I observe
that nothing about having a continuous
tree prevents naming particular runs of
the
tree, pointing at, using for different purposes.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise
to cap a very productive morning... are
there any neglected issues ?
mircea_popescu: ah. alright. without prejudice
to
the principle, "can't make everything one single hairstrand",
there's also
the consideration
that can't make
the whole repuiblican scalp buzz-cut
mircea_popescu: trinque so you'd rather keep it as
two separate items is
the idea here ?
trinque: "beyond here
this crocodile grows robot legs"
trinque: can name
the antecedent and still put vpatches in
two piles
mircea_popescu: when
they become something
they could have been but weren't,
they'll be something else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your brand of logical here is inadequate.
the matter isn't what
things could be.
mircea_popescu: otherwise
the eminently usable
trinque bot is what, iirc in hanbot's hands
too she was contemplating doing soemthing
trinque: this requires
that particular hash antecedent, and not my blog post on
the subj
trinque: goes right
to what I've been saying in
the hypertext
thread,
too
trinque: I can see it, and also
that
the case where it would be impossible (tangled hierarchy, mutual dependency) is idiocy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re kalash bullet, my usage list for kalash bullet is "lube generously, insert" not "put into rifle". so it makes sense
to genesis.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 18:43 diana_coman: and re peterl's keccak implementation
trouble is
that
thoroughly
testing it looks atm as much work as writing a new one in
the process anyway so whatever version ends up with
tests and everything is
the one
that will make it into v
too I would say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is against all
things, gotta be dragged kicking and screaming over all
thresholds.
phf: (this is actually related
to
the code reuse
thread we had,
the extra-v code reuse machinery is fundamentally at odds with vtronic approach,
the conclusion in
that
thread was "do more retyping it's good for you", which i agree with, but i believe asciilifeform was against it)
mircea_popescu: first line in install being "install
this other
thing" is generally an indication item present can't be genesised. maybe not an absolute rule, esp if multiple priors involved. but if just one...
mircea_popescu: well for one
thing, logbot can't stand up without ircbot.
mircea_popescu: trinque having read
these
two articles i dunno why
they got independent genesises.
mircea_popescu: trinque you know
the cursive "trinque" overwrites
the
top
title on
the page on my system ?
trinque: cool, I'll look into
that
then.
phf: oh and don't open link #3
that crashes everything!1
mircea_popescu: so im reading
trinque.org now in hopes
there's explainy.
mircea_popescu: i have been sitting here for 10 mins
trying
to figure out wtf
this is, not getting any closer
phf: mircea_popescu: it's actually a broken patch (i.e. it was published broken), i need
to move it
to deprecated, since *-corrected has been published since
trinque: then wrote a completely separate html viewer for
the db logbot extrudes
mircea_popescu: phf how do i click on ircbot-multiple-channels
to see what's
there ?
trinque: ben_vulpes patched former for multiple channel support, and latter
to use former changes
trinque: logbot's a descendent class
that puts log lines in a db
trinque: ircbot's a lisp class
that sits connected
to IRC
mircea_popescu: so
trinque you made
two diff items
that differ how ? one's
the irc bot
the other's
the logger ?
phf: mircea_popescu:
there's a bit of confusion
there with logbot, because ircbot and logbot were both published by
trinque by
they are not vtronic connected,
they rely on lisp machinery
to load each other. multichannel equivalents of both were publshed by ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: diana_coman some bits of code, such as heavily linked against standard hash etc would normally
take a zillion reimplementations rereads etc anyways.
diana_coman: and re peterl's keccak implementation
trouble is
that
thoroughly
testing it looks atm as much work as writing a new one in
the process anyway so whatever version ends up with
tests and everything is
the one
that will make it into v
too I would say
☟︎ diana_coman: mircea_popescu, depending on what we use finally it might be ada-serpent
too,unclear
trinque: nah don't
think he had
to patch
phf: ircbot-genesis is
trinque's , ircbot-multiple-channels-corrected is ben_vulpes's code
diana_coman: I get
the feeling
that v is not really seen as versioning in
the sense of
these are
the steps I
took, still mulling a bit on
thiw
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. kinda iirc
the whole idea of
the design at
the
time was for
to be able
to have
this convo
today.
mircea_popescu: it's basically mostly
that +
the keccac ada peterl wrote + some new stuff
diana_coman: it uses
the mpi part and quite substantially so works
mircea_popescu: the significant benefit of branch would be
that
this'd be
the first in-the-field case
to demonstrate
this interprojects interop
thing.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, we can do it yes; I guess
the question is where
to start i.e. no point in starting from koch
that I can see; starting from asciilifeform 's sane-mpi would be one; adds and deletes stuff
phf: i added readme
to mpi patchset also
mircea_popescu: anyway. my conclusion is ima do
the eu-crypto as a new genesis, because really most of
the koch crap in mpi (esp
the prng crap) got dirtched
mircea_popescu: but yes,
the alternative is
to genesis it and
then link downstream from ffa.
mircea_popescu: i meant, rather
than make a genesis for eu-crypto, just make a branch of your mpi
mircea_popescu: (so in
this sense saves
them
the hassle
to v
themselves ;
though sigs welcome of course)
mircea_popescu: will
take a public comment blogpost pass first, so ideally early next year
phf: asciilifeform: it didn't, i just didn't realize
that
there was a proper genesis