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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739424 << is the first figure with customer's gear and the second with yours ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 03:30 asciilifeform: ( reading the linked item, it would be impossible to infer that it is ~not~ one )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739412 << i don't think anything besides the stringing of words is seriously contemplated. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 23:59 asciilifeform: at any rate this is a quite pointless imho discussion, we will NOT be reintroducing normalized integer braindamage.
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739383 << you can just use 4096*4096 multiplies. It's lulzy to see how you rant about "proper" rsa and demand full-size exponents, but somehow restricting range of p and q is OK. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
apeloyee: ...factors differ only a few bits in length, it doesn't appear to be better than NFS. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 23:43 asciilifeform: and the difficulty of breaking rsa via known methods is proportional to the size of the smallest prime. you oughta know that.
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739374 << can you enlighten us about why you believe there's no way to use information about range of factors (because you say so?), and about the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739371 as regards the number field sieve, as this doesn't seem to be published (or perharps for quadratic sieve). elliptic curve does benefit from smaller factors, but if the... ☝︎☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: And in latest Pantsuit purge developments pro-muscleman can be victim too https://archive.is/vjeDN
BingoBoingo: This is a reduction of ~21.47% over number from last night taken through weekification and de-fxrisking transform.
BingoBoingo: Figure subject to change as more tax law is digested
BingoBoingo still has more tax law to read, but new rough number is 61.615 USd/week per RU or 267 USd/monthly per RU ☟︎
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell kyliee Pls to learn patience
kyliee: Bitcoin... I need to understand how to trade without using one of the government run platforms
BingoBoingo: What brings you out to these here boondocks?
asciilifeform: ( reading the linked item, it would be impossible to infer that it is ~not~ one ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: sooo they are also fraudulently pushing bch' ( or what it was) as a fork of bch ?
asciilifeform: 'It is now up to the next billion people to start to use Bitcoin Cash.' << lol!!
asciilifeform: i meant rigorous proof that the smallestprime will be on avg smaller in his scenario than in traditional
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:36 mircea_popescu: however you "cut" the problem out, the surface of the cut becomes the problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something moart than http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737612 is needed ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 03:17 mircea_popescu: the notion that bitcoin can somehow by stolen by name is so ridoinculous as to betray its ustardian origins. bitcoin is not a name.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a pretty good olympiad problem, actually, to show why PeterL's scheme is still a bad idea even though '17' scenario is ruled out given as he capped the lower bitness at 512
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 23:46 PeterL_: hmm, I must have missed that day in 1st grade
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739375 << the first factor found will necessarily be the smallest of p, q. therefore if your q is 17 and p some 4094 bit prime, you're fucked as the N will fall over within microseconds. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 23:44 asciilifeform: this is 1st grade material.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 22:41 lobbes: i.e. it still uses someone else's code for the 'core' irc functionality. I'd rather that core functionality be ircbot, but of course this'll be a huge time investment migrating everything (and learning lisp). In the hopper, though.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739330 << thjat works, can even make the archive item a vpatch when it's done for instance. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simply arresting the rot dun take much: i expect 'cuntoo' repo box will suffice. once isp winter is over...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739326 << yeah, something like that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 20:54 asciilifeform: but rather confiscation of the whole shebang from the wreckers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739321 << expensive tho, who the hell's gonna man all the castles. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 20:30 asciilifeform: but instead a rerun of the august item
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739288 << who's gonna bother to fork worthless item, ya know. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 23:37 asciilifeform: let p be any 4096b prime, let q be any 4096b prime, throw out both if pq exposes a high bit of 0
asciilifeform: PeterL: i am giving benefit of doubt, i'd rather think that you missed the powers-of-2-forever thread, rather than having read it and understood nothing
PeterL: anyway, I have to go take care of the kids, as always I keep an eye on the logs.
asciilifeform: and the cost of the costliest operation is a cube of the bitness.
asciilifeform: if you want to do crypto you do it with power-of-2-wide registers.
asciilifeform: at any rate this is a quite pointless imho discussion, we will NOT be reintroducing normalized integer braindamage. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and much higher than the chance of any considerable number of leading 0s in p or q generated via proper scheme.
asciilifeform: PeterL: work out the chance, in your scheme, of the smaller prime being below 2048b in length.
asciilifeform: PeterL: consider, even plain brute force benefits from permitting one of the primes to have less than half of the total bitness of the product
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:33 diana_coman: I've been playing around with the keccak implementation from PeterL and it seems overall all right
PeterL_: hmm, I must have missed that day in 1st grade ☟︎
PeterL_: but isn't it easier to break knowing that they must be 2048b than if they could be anywhere within a wider range?
asciilifeform: and the difficulty of breaking rsa via known methods is proportional to the size of the smallest prime. you oughta know that. ☟︎
PeterL_: why do they have to be 2048b?
PeterL_: but why do you limit to 2048 and not 4096?
asciilifeform: this was discussed here and if PeterL_ followed the logs, he would have noticed.
asciilifeform: neither can be greater than 2048b in size
PeterL_: since once you get p, you should know the size q needs to be
asciilifeform: there is no such thing as 'bad value' for individual p or q
PeterL_: I guess I was just trying to skip a few iterations of chucking out bad values?
asciilifeform: it simply won't terminate until pq is 4096b.
PeterL_: I thought we were trying to get p and q where p*q is 4096b?
asciilifeform: let p be any 4096b prime, let q be any 4096b prime, throw out both if pq exposes a high bit of 0 ☟︎
asciilifeform: i still see no reason to do this
asciilifeform: not even to divide by a p that guaranteed to not equal 1
asciilifeform: not to mention that 2^4097 cannot be represented AT ALL in a 4096bit ffa
PeterL_: and you end up with the right size of value for p*q , right?
PeterL_: gives a wider range of possible values than just using a set bitness for both p and q
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:33 apeloyee: diana_coman: if keeping the minimum of 2^2047 for primes, you can, for example, generate primes between 2^2047 and 2^2049, and start over if the modulus is unacceptable. not sure what minimum for p and q makes sense.
PeterL_: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737536 << for key generation, why not pick a p between say 2^512 and 2^3584 (or whatever values) until you find a prime, then look for a q between 2^4096/p and 2^4097/p ? ☝︎
PeterL_: hi, missed the 30 second window to identify as PeterL
shinohai: How does it help the poor schizophrenic ? He's probably freaking out "I'll bet they know I took this pill......"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in психушка noose, https://archive.is/5aOSp >> 'The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a pill Monday that has a digital ingestion tracking system which can tell if medication was ingested by a patient. ... to allow easier treatment of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and some depression'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but i suppose is now a dried, rather than soft turd. << So you broom rather than mop
lobbes: i.e. it still uses someone else's code for the 'core' irc functionality. I'd rather that core functionality be ircbot, but of course this'll be a huge time investment migrating everything (and learning lisp). In the hopper, though. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 19:16 mircea_popescu: and speaking of bots, lobbes is your idea to genesis lobbesbot ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739265 << My ultimate goal with the thing would be to use trinque's ircbot and try and rebuild lobbesbot off of that. As it stands now, lobbesbot is nothing more than a suite of 'supybot modules' I wrote ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform you just tell people "follow the last". << Tag, category, etc.
phf: still waiting for the kristallnacht
asciilifeform: ( rms, sad as it may be to say, is among these. )
asciilifeform: find also the collaborationists, who tolerated.
asciilifeform: and in every case to find a name. ~who~ broke $proggy. and what else has he shat into.
asciilifeform: but rather confiscation of the whole shebang from the wreckers. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the solution is absolutely never 'hey which flycheck turd should i use nao'
ben_vulpes: helm is definitely that
phf: shit my emacs greets me with iswitchb-mode is obsolete on boot, if i cared enough i'd patch it out, but it's a daily meditation on the general level of fuck
asciilifeform: 'why are you still using that obsolete...'
asciilifeform: same thing is being done to, e.g., gcc
asciilifeform: and then worked into the docs, 'flymake is obsolete' nonsense
asciilifeform: worthless piece of shit, 'used by no one' until they broke functionality (on crapple) of the venerable and eternal 'flymake'
asciilifeform: ^ typical example
asciilifeform: recall the old thread,
asciilifeform: but this is why they lichen-attack and eat away at the working stuff
phf: amusingly none of that "super fast" shit is used anywhere. venerable hunchentoot was used used by weitz to deliver consulting solutions (was also used by me for same purpose back when it was tbnl), these super fast toys are used to host author's blog.
ben_vulpes: yeah, that part
phf: asciilifeform: uses cl-async which is an ffi to libuv
phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, one of those people
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what's in there ? openssl ?
ben_vulpes: http://wookie.lyonbros.com/ comes to mind
phf: well, in a sense that it's not a special wrong. they also run systemd and can't wait for wayland etc. etc.
asciilifeform: i'll disagree with the 'nothing wrong'.
asciilifeform: the 'it's ok for your sbcl world to segfault' people
phf: "shinmera" is part of the new school of common lispers who put out reams of code that's basically ffi to c world. nothing wrong with it per se, but from traditional lisp perspective they are prime wreckers
trinque: maybe they meant the other lisp
trinque: pretty sad item to come through "Planet Lisp" RSS