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asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe
asciilifeform: (re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build)
asciilifeform: if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil
mats: i was also watching the stream
MacCheese: I am Jesus Christ
trinque: I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad.
trinque: I'm sure in this case he means it.
trinque: I've heard that one re: cocaine too
trinque: "I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand
decimation: honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself
ben_vulpes: maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance.
ben_vulpes: maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 04:59:46; decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 04:31:39; trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"
asciilifeform: i'm still in the 90s
asciilifeform: but overall i like the idea of a dc box with bitcoind and LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to answer earlier q : i think for thius purpose (running on dulap etc) static glibc is exactly right.
asciilifeform: damned if i know
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep
asciilifeform: and i die of old age 3-5 times
asciilifeform: i was reluctant to throw gccisms in there, but if we go and start building on mircea_popescu's soviet pdp11 we can always roll equivalent macros for that
decimation: yeah, as far as I can tell gpl only really 'sticks' to fsf software directly
decimation: but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way
decimation: all I want is a world where I get source when I get software
decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him ☟︎
asciilifeform: i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc.
ben_vulpes: erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets
asciilifeform: this is annoying but i understand 100%
decimation: no and as I recall there's hand-written asm in openssl
decimation: might need to start at that level I guess.
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat ☟︎
trinque: decimation: sounds kinda like what I understand nginx to be
asciilifeform: decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies
decimation: I've built several pure async servers
trinque: maybe I should get more drunk and see if pete_dushenski ends up writing about it
trinque: this I think has something to do with the political problems throughout time
trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!" ☟︎
mod6: yeah, i hear ya.
asciilifeform: i'm about to sleep a bit myself
mod6: I can work on that and see where I can get with it; then I have to start working on the SoBA for June.
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks a lot for your work tonight on the Static Builder. I'm a bit zapped to start getting into that tonight. Is it cool with you if I start testing it out tomorrow morning?
mod6: I remember from the block 168`001 issue (tx verification failed) that it would start dumping tons of errors if truly stuck.
mod6: yeah, they were pretty blown away when I just came and told 'em i was gonna scrap it.
mircea_popescu: i played wiff girl.
mod6: so now I've got this company to pay $185 and take it off my hands for scrap. hahah
asciilifeform: i don't think overcrowding was the issue here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, ok if i move back to public access for this ?
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)
mod6: my pos car got a flat today, so I limped it up to the station to get a new tire & walked the ~3 miles back.
mod6: If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking that would get us where we want to be; sounds like you've done that!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i know. what can i do over here.
asciilifeform: at 'I'm thinking tha'
mod6: <+asciilifeform> now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working <+asciilifeform> (with glibc+static) << v0.5.3.1-RELEASE basically is not true "static" build because of the gethostbyname() (DNS/libnss) calls in there. but was trying to build static bitcoind with uclibc/gcc on gentoo, was hitting a problem described here before. If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinkin
trinque: I know... I'll invent a syntax!
decimation: I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website
asciilifeform: all i get is acks
mircea_popescu: i srsly see established conns.
asciilifeform: ~all~ i get is ACKs
mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and no, i was specifically talking about -connect=x.x.x.x' commandline argument
trinque: strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued
trinque: asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available?
mircea_popescu: actually uh... i see you ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups
mircea_popescu: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s <permittedIP> -j DROP << is that it ?
ben_vulpes: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at
mircea_popescu: how do you propose i implement this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a box to sync from that i don't have to share with public urinators
Chicago: decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :)
decimation: I've seen it give linker warnings
asciilifeform: but possibly he had something like what i just posted, but it isn't on the ml.
decimation: I thought he had
asciilifeform: now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working
ben_vulpes: (if i even had, etc)
ben_vulpes: ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
ben_vulpes: i did not use the -irc flag
ben_vulpes: <aseriousgogetta> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << i am confus ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 19:46:42; mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
ben_vulpes: no, I simply ran the thing.
asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...) ☟︎
aseriousgogetta: what is thebitcoin.foundation?? i just found it.
asciilifeform: i've been licking my teeth for this milking for ages
asciilifeform: (i'm getting a 'connection refused')
asciilifeform: i suppose i ought to have specified this in the readme
asciilifeform: i'd prefer to get comments / replications of this experiment first
asciilifeform: and it appears that i did this.
asciilifeform: decimation: not yet. but i expect to hit the same wall as mod6
asciilifeform: one final test before i post it...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm about to zip up the whole build tree so folks can test quickly
ben_vulpes: i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
asciilifeform: in other news, i've a static therealbitcoin.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: absolute best example of 'literate programming' i know of is 'jonesforth' >> https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.S and https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth/blob/master/jonesforth.f
ben_vulpes: i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what all this shit does.
asciilifeform: why would i be concerned with defaults ?
trinque: given that I'm already using an absurd compromise (stumpwm+emacs) I'd take something which measurably improves what I'm doing there already
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: does your sbcl userland for linux come with a physical box where i get guarantee that the, e.g., video board, works ?