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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> nice work mod6 << Thx, cheers!
pete_dushenski: ya, i was thinking of desk scenario
asciilifeform: connect to stationary antenna if you must have it show output on yer desk.
pete_dushenski: so wouldn't update if owner took off to, say, take a shower ?
asciilifeform: shortwave. from festung mircea_popescustein's 500kW transmitter.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: how'd you approach the problem of frequently updated blockheight on the wrist ? well, "problem"...
asciilifeform: Radio Wave at 40 kHz, 60kHz, 68.5 kHz, and 77.5kHzv – GPS signal at 1575.42 MHzvi – LTE with eSIM at 2600 MHzvii << bahahahahwat ntp thread alloveragain ?!
pete_dushenski: sounds a lot like teh prairies except in cr you can't see spot running away for weeks
mircea_popescu: in other grandeurs, this place is a bona fida meteorological observatory. i sat over pasta and watched a complete cloud system move across the sky. here the sky's blue, here's the coming cloud front, there's rain...
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/18/specs-and-designs-for-the-first-ever-blockheight-timepieces/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Specs and designs for the first ever Blockheight Timepieces.
mircea_popescu: anyway, over 1TB burned, month half way. blog infrastructure liek bitcoin infrastructure in more ways than one.
mircea_popescu: superficially seems like all sorts ; kinda not have the time now to feed a quarter gb log through summarizer.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740127 << i wouldn't be too worried, trilema serves up to 5k simultaneous connections off a single box.
mircea_popescu: so ima have to alter that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740276 to moar like 50k to reflect this new record. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, looking through logs we notice trilema served 1.5mn pages... earlier today, during four hours or so. this is usually a week or two's worth.
mircea_popescu: this is what the empire is.
asciilifeform: as opposed to where they still have meat in the loop
mircea_popescu: as opposed to which part of libertard discourse ?
mircea_popescu: the point being that the pantsuit machine RELIES on there not existing toxicitems in the environment, because the whole thing is so least-effort driven as to directly uptake them if present.
mircea_popescu: tly did not read the article, but hey.)
mircea_popescu: (to explain the lulz : huffpo penned piece about gervais, whio's still active and who did whatever huffpo-demo interest item recently ; upon deciding they want to write it up they proceeded to "do research" in "depth" as such works ; as it happens trilema owns millions of "long tail" items, including as the case is here whatever-they-searched-about either cemetery junction or gervais or some combination of other words. eviden
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
mircea_popescu: mmm, i dunno that we have a gentoo equivalent of this deeded anywhere.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "whatever it is you're building" is "gentoo", and what goes into that is still a mystery to me
asciilifeform: which in turn builds on just about anything vaguely c-flavoured
ben_vulpes: heh i was just reading about that
asciilifeform: i've thought about investigating whether gcc4 can be made to build on fabrice bellard's tinycc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ride the rotor train all the way to there then have it build whatever it is you're building.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ideally would work on all known c compiler, and from there build gcc buildroot-style, and from there - world
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: couldja sketch how this pill might work for me?
asciilifeform: recall, original 'gcc5 is fatally touched' discovery happened on n00bz building rotors
shinohai: Ah yeah somehow I had forgotten that *DUH* is part of trb
asciilifeform: it's part of the rotor flow, gotta be there
shinohai: Tis on shithub too https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/releases/tag/gcc-4_9_4-release
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, evidently "whaterver you got" dun include post wreckage gcc 5+
mircea_popescu: we have gcc 4.9.x source then ?
asciilifeform: but notion of unix is that you can take whatever c compiler you got, and bootstrap
ben_vulpes: yeah i have one of those as well but also ew
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd like to find a pill for this problem that doesn't involve preserving a magic binturd in amber
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say? ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: i don't really know how to apply your use flags to the creation of a new gentoo then. i do have an older gentoo box that is pretty faithful to the crapolade flags, has gcc but don't really have a map for making that produce a root fs that i can put on another box or what even the correct way to go about doing what i want to do
ben_vulpes: oh, mistake was to stage3
asciilifeform: so no, flags dun help there.
asciilifeform: stage3 method ( the only one supported by post-infiltration gentoo ) is a tar fulla binturds
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did that, but i believe that 5 snuck in from stage3. at the time i got loads of errors about 5 being present on the system in violation of use flag specification, attempted to purge but this did not result in a usable box somehow
ben_vulpes: i couldn't find a stage3 with 4.9 on it when i needed it for this machine, and so got 'phuqed'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i have now pissed upon this electrified fence as well
ben_vulpes: hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland ☟︎
asciilifeform: faster to format the hdd and start again, than to try to manually separate the flies from the cutlets.
asciilifeform: nao iirc there is finally a gnat built on 5. but i have not tried it, and can't yet think of a reason to try it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i tried recently to build a chroot with 4 from the machine with 5 to no avail
asciilifeform: the surest pill is simply not to have 5 on the box. at. all.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the box that barfed uses gcc 5.4.0
asciilifeform: ( or greater %, if item is product of deliberate obfuscation, rather than merely microshit )
diana_coman: make a not that there are negative, "non-natural" numbers, what else is there to do, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reversing winturds, possibly surprisingly, is little different : a good 80% of the binturd has no arithmetical reason for being there
mircea_popescu: hermeneutics, amirite. "how to map complex structures".
mircea_popescu: usually this returns "religious artefact AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY OFFICE". understandably.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd love archeology by the way. half the job is "here's this pile of relations with no cognitive correlate. please explain."
shinohai: yeah fuck Time
asciilifeform: shinohai: text obscured by crapolade, unreadable
mircea_popescu: and people who cut off their own leg to spite the doctor do exist from what i hear.
mircea_popescu: surely they do exist.
diana_coman: well, I get what you mean i.e. that's the zero, yes; however ...constructs of stupidity do...exist, what can I say
shinohai: In the latest US Naval mishaps: http://archive.is/krIMV
mircea_popescu: incidentally, walked past item in market yest, "and god walked the earth, and came upon a man who was so very poor
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but constructs OF STUPIDITY have no bearing on the actual reality. child is, natura nuda, poorest thing that can exist.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'd say plenty *poorer* than children actually; I can't see how is "adult" with debt and whatnot "richer" than child
asciilifeform: iirc about half of voodoo repertoire is re this
asciilifeform: 'cast this spell to regain yer boyfriend'
mircea_popescu: i get abo9ut one a week but this one's very good
asciilifeform: lol, nao this is a first on asciilifeform's watch, ro spamola
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fhGdV/?raw=true << the married miss and other gems of nigerian classical thought.
mircea_popescu: which they do, endlessly entertainingly. let me show you the most recent :
asciilifeform: returning to dictionaries -- it's a piton, for penetrating the otherwise impenetrable n00b texts ( e.g. children's lit ) . not a 'hey i am nigerian and i found an englisch dictionary and nao i speak to you about our road to riches and fame'
mircea_popescu: absent either the eventually or the complete... it's back to black monkeys picking through each other's fur.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform learnable failures are always the byproduct of an eventuallty successful complete tree.
asciilifeform: normally 'it burned down and who the fuck knows why'
mircea_popescu: almost 0 shits given to "after ww2 but before clinton, america the great" wank for very much this reason, actually.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, if you don't study failures how to avoid mistakes ???" "study non-failures and non-do what they didn't do either!" wtf, ima have to look at anything but WORKING engine to establish how to not make engine ? pshaw.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can take their "yoni"s and shove them, i'm too busy archeologisting actual things to be bothgered with "but mp, before going to shit india was interesting". had i lived before it went to shit, i might've persuaded by this.
asciilifeform: interrupted classics are of interest to archaeologist.
mircea_popescu: now, one could say "but of course, mp is rich, man of leisure". except... i STILL didn't have a particular destination / timetable as an eight year old. if anyone's ever poorer than a child...
asciilifeform: no classics -- monkeylang. dun see what to disagree with.
mircea_popescu: this is also why i've not learned say sanskrit, and why i despise indians as the cultural construct. bitch, interrupted classics isn't a qualifier, if all the jews had ended in 300 ad they'd be in the same pot.
mircea_popescu: it's why i won't learn subhuman languages, such as anything black people ever made : not NEARLY enough classics to keep me interested in this manner.
mircea_popescu: i can't answer for others, but i, a man with no particular place to go and no specific time to be there, find in general the approach endlessly entertaining. go into a two day loop through whatever lang's dict after having read a phrase in some classical work.
mircea_popescu: until you have enough familiarity for the proper dict to be useful to you, you don't properly speaking have anything to say.
mircea_popescu: you get to this takeoff in the manner children do, which is : be seen and not heard. you... read.
asciilifeform: also i will note that english is a pretty poor example for this thread, it is missing so many pieces that folx who ~think~ in it are visibly handicapped in all walks of life, not merely for learning ro
asciilifeform: but you somehow gotta get to that takeoff, and not everyone has dirigible.
asciilifeform: i won't disagree that translative dictionary is only good for reaching takeoff velocity, and folx who try to ~write~ using one, rather than using years of actual literature eaten, are in a state of sin
mircea_popescu: exactly as per that http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_8_75919 fuckbridge note.
mircea_popescu: gains ~not just for the "new" language~! the old one as well! i'm a much better english speaker than absolutely any esl speaker BECAUSE i speak a bunch of other languages that ARE NOT english, which STRENGTHENS my english.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
mircea_popescu: vocabulary and general language propriety ; and consequently miss out on most of the gains from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 16:12 mircea_popescu: trinque the method i recommend, if you care, is to work selections of classical texts with the dictionary ; then proceed to answer any systematic questions you have when you're sick of the slog.
mircea_popescu: it's not FORBIDDEN. but if you insist to break the "why do you think you have anything to SAY yet" rule and instead of reading ro text with ro explicative dictionary as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580455 jump ahead to trying to ~produce~ ro text on the basis of your english ideas augmented by a english-to-ro translateatron, the result will be that you'll end up with a subset of romanian as permitted by your english ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'll still take it over 'learn from context' nonsense.
mircea_popescu: even if your binary runs, your brain suffered in the process.