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asciilifeform: the bay of pigs folx got their arse handed to'em neh
mircea_popescu: i don't recall castro making any decision in the kennedy ultimatum, at any juncture.
asciilifeform: afaik usg Official Truth to this day is 'cuba Must Die'
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: ended in the 70s, so not really.
mircea_popescu: because what trhe fuck is cuba.
asciilifeform: hey if usg ~to this day~ has gitmo, inside a cuba, for 0 rent, why not costanta
mircea_popescu: thereby "corruption = the rent is about to go up ~1`984x"
mircea_popescu: nope. russians can now jam. either you get them next to sevastopol or forget it.
mircea_popescu: (the geostrategic situation, for the very understandably disinterested, is that usg can not maintain pretense of mediteranean presence without ground missiles in constanta, because the ru navy actually works whereas the us clittorals do not.)
mircea_popescu: somehow the idiots didn't see that whole thing for the trap it was. "first, let them build it, doh"
asciilifeform: captured for what? the 'corruption' racket ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole thing is "we captured the ro judiciary, the wave turned, we're trying to defend this asset for now".
mircea_popescu: ftr : romanian "protests" entirely usg fabrication, https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/11/275899.htm etc. the way this gets implemented in practice is that local usg-alligned orcs "leverage their network". which in romania is a few kids with "network skillz", ie two bit "blackhatwordld" injuns/niggers.
asciilifeform: oh noez colourrevolution enzyme aint supposed to digest godly usg-approved muppetstate!11
ben_vulpes: "we don't have any real news!" "eh, let them filter spam."
mod6: Let them filter spam.
asciilifeform: 'The common notification from Facebook was that the post was under review to see if it breached the community standards. Other posts about the protests were suspected by Facebook of being spam.' << lol!!
asciilifeform: to the extent they actually do something other than generate and post random numbers -- sure
asciilifeform: eh to quote mircea_popescu , who the hell cares what happens at a gox
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743827 << a damn, i missed the big moment ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:30 asciilifeform: 'dreamer' culture is somewhat like a school of pilotage absent the landing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743816 << this is actually a pretty great point. yes, exactly. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:42 asciilifeform: i'd naively expect that adacore's item would be the satanic one, and gcc's fork -- the functional. but so far in no case was this the finding.
mod6: basically my mental picture of the whole thing
asciilifeform: the former seem to exist solely by mooching from the latter -- who largely eat from usg
asciilifeform: on some far-away planet, there is a standard sane os and language standards cover linking.
mod6: and adacore's is supposed to be canonical im guessing?
asciilifeform: mod6: it's an afaik unjustifiable divergence in how the 2 gnats' 'gprbuild' util behaves.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:40 asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform is barfing over the fact that adacore's gnat is happy to build static 'independent library' .a while gpl gcc's gnat barfs
asciilifeform: but it's a trivially discoverable fact, for people who actually bothered with the subj beyond chitchat.
asciilifeform: ( i'm rot13 the answ to riddle : gurer vf ab xabja jnl gb thnenagrr na vavgvny jbeyq fgngr gung qbrfa'g dhvpxyl pbairetr vagb n svkrq fgrnql fgngr, be n ernfbanoyl fubeg ybbc (juvpu tvirf gevivnyyl oernxnoyr pvcuregrkg) -- vg vf rknpgyl gur fnzr vgrz nf gur 'lrf vg'f na ac-pbzcyrgr ceboyrz, ohg ubj gb thnenagrr gung n enaqbzyl trarengrq vafgnapr vf abg gevivny?' )
asciilifeform: witness the traditional 'tlp' symptoms of walking around with no inclination to ~try~ such a thing, or anything at all, with own hands, and see why this dun work with any known automaton ruleset ( do i have to say why, or readers already know ? )
asciilifeform: i'll recount an episode recently reported by asciilifeform's pet, on reconnaissance into a heathen pit . two d00dz argued re 'post-rsa crypto'. and one drew forth from his sleeve an erudite wankery, n-th generation stolen from thel0gz! : 'why not cipher using playing field of cellular automaton, say, game of life, initial state as key...'
asciilifeform: when folx begin to see reality as 'read-only', they retreat into full-bore (b) .
asciilifeform: there's 2 possible uses of abstraction -- a) to move between places in reality phase space that aren't walkable to via greedy algorithm ( e.g. tractor is not a minor refinement on horse-drawn plow ) b) to pull own cock
a111: Logged on 2014-03-05 23:06 asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
asciilifeform: 'dreamer' culture is somewhat like a school of pilotage absent the landing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: see possibly also the thread with faraday and his magnetic field lines.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to see things thatr aren't there. for as long as you live in the world of things that are there. once you move to living in the unreal...
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem, as that wise doctor pointed out, isn't when you start hearing voices, but when you start talking back.
asciilifeform: this also. and the detritus eventually clogs the arteries of whatever culture produced it.
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised what % of current "novels" fail this simple test.
asciilifeform: there might still be a few chukchas left somewhere who properly practice the virtue of 'never see a thing that ain't there' . the folx who shown a novel answer 'why'
mircea_popescu: "lifetime wanker will have adapted to his lifestyle". oh... you don't say.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 05:34 mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand how this sense-nonsense alloying works.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally provides the explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742829 as plain as day. ☝︎
asciilifeform: [insert 'literacy is sin, as the reader sees things that ain't there' thread here]
mircea_popescu: wankery is the adolescentine state whereby the things we don't look at aren't there because the power of our imagination makes the playboy girl real!
asciilifeform: well if defining walking around with an unenclosed cock as necessarily wankery -- then yes
mircea_popescu: no. THOSE are wankery.
asciilifeform: i'll point out, for completeness, the traditional alternatives of: the bottle, and the library
mircea_popescu: which reduces to, "most of your time, and most of your women's time, will be spent with cows."
mircea_popescu: there's no going back to a state of innocence, whereby "we don't know what's at the end of the earth". thereby, there's no going back to a state where we will ever do anything other than sift through herds looking for the accidentally lost woman in an inexplicable sheepskin.
mircea_popescu: all "sawing through the cage" proposals i've seen to date (and a major part of what i do is look for exactly that) consist of either idle wankery (german philosophy school etc) or else "here's how to cut a two inch hole in the wall, stick a paper bag out of there, and duct tape it to the hole from outside". ty... but... this replaces a wall with a paper bag ? "yes, but it goes FURTHER OUT!!" sure, but i still know it like my
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 17:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
asciilifeform: the herdemoocracy narrative is that steam power made clitler inescapable. i dun buy.
mircea_popescu: in the sense there's a thing as countericecream
asciilifeform: sawing through the cage.
asciilifeform: there's also such a thing as countermodernity tho
mircea_popescu: this being the only proper definition of modernity : man after finally having walked the perimeter of his cage.
mircea_popescu: modernity is modernity, there's no out of it. once you walked around your cage, it's walked, there's no undoing it.
asciilifeform: i didn't say that i saw mircea_popescu as ~modern~ hunter, lol
mircea_popescu: and in the sense that he has the choice to either put mangers in and fill them every winter or be forest walker ; and that he either obeys "hunting season" or idem ; and so on.
asciilifeform: in the sense of him being a tentacle on a gigantic farming-powered civilization, that made his rifle, his shirt, his truck -- yea
mircea_popescu: gatherer as opposed to farmer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your notion is anachronistic, in the sense that it compares a "hunter" cut out of the 10k years ago subsistence hunter contained in the expression hunter-gatherer with the modern farmer. you can't cross time boundries like that. modern hunter is modern in exactly the same way modern farmer is modern, and for the same reasons. historical "farmer" is just as primitive as the hunter, which is why it's even called
asciilifeform: it may even already be the case that the cost of a ~proper~ (i.e. non-poisoned) vegetable in usgdom from the specialty shop, counting the multiple taxation (of yer own money, as 'income', of the sale, as state 'sales tax', of the growers', of the landlord's, etc ) layers, equals or exceeds the cost of growing it with own hands in a garden.
asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn' ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-01-19 19:48 mircea_popescu: i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep".
asciilifeform: quite a few folx, esp. the mentally limited, are irresistibly drawn to anything that smells of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449500 ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743697 << i suspect... marx! has the pill here. entfremdung der arbeit (tm)(r) ☝︎
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu at some later point feels like showing how farmer and hunter are exactly same thing, i'll listen.
asciilifeform: farmer pushes the boulder uphill, and is stuck with 9000 types of 'naturam expellas furca tamen usque recurret' (tm)(r) chores.
asciilifeform: hunter takes the forest as it is; farmer otoh is running a pretend-herdemoocracy-forest where calorie-dense seeds appear in rather unlikely densities ( as reviewed in http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain )
mircea_popescu: hunter, concerns, inasmuch as he bothers to notice frog is frog does not shoot at frog ; farmer, doesn't concern, in asmuch as doesn't go out picking thistle.
asciilifeform: and stuck with the chore of running a faux ecosystem with own hands, feeding the defective piglets to the proper ones, etc
asciilifeform: hunter doesn't concern himself with every piece of fungus in the forest, he walks in and shoots the tastiest-looking thing he knows how to get a bead on, neh
mircea_popescu: do you think these categories are distinguishable ? modern hunter === modern farmer.
asciilifeform: well specifically i picture mircea_popescu as moar of a hunter than a farmer
mircea_popescu: so how do you secrete a wall between this and cows all day ?
mircea_popescu: andf that "wild" is ?
asciilifeform: i've nfi from what. from the wild.
mircea_popescu: and they come from what ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 13:22 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, pre-communism romania had private land ownership, resulting in "tarani" as the genertal noun not having any land.
asciilifeform: re peasants -- dim-witted westerners of prev generation ( current ones have nfi and dun give half a shit even if you plug'em into the mains wiring ) thought that somehow communism happened because of malevolent martians landing, rather than from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743681 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you think it is i do, all day every day ?
asciilifeform: ( from a fantasy-nostalgia song that contained said line , 'Как упоительны в России вечера, Любовь, шампанское, закаты, переулки. Ах, лето красное, забавы и прогулки, Как упоительны в России вечера. Балы, красавицы, лакеи, юнкера, И вальсы Шуберта, и хруст французской б
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 13:20 mircea_popescu: consider what the (immensely popular at the time) item says : "la tarani le-a luat pamintul, la studenti le-a luat cuvintul, la soferi le-a luat benzina, la prosti le facea cu mina". ie, the peasants HAD land. how ? when ? without the fucking communists the usg-alligned maniu, bratianu & friends would be STILL dithering over minor land distributions. exactly like the usgstan does.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743673 << in ru , 'the glory of the ancien regime' types get the label 'хруст французской булки' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 13:14 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, peasants of 1800 did not have the option of plastic or they'd have taken it just the same; that being said I still recall the communist-ro going precisely that route e.g. have now this here wonderful soya-oil just as good as the "true thing" which supposedly was... sunflower oil because nobody was supposed to even remember olive oil
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743653 << you'd be quite surprised at the variety of faux-olive oils in usa. errything from avocado to old tyres, i suspect ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( wouljda really want to herd cattle all day, every day, mircea_popescu ? )
a111: Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 12:58 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743518 prolly needs to be addressed better than the original "i wouldn't give a shit" : i'm ready to take over the governance of the entire world from the hands of the inept pretenders of today, as of yesterday. the result would be very ~different~, yes, but that's irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: "pioneer the japanese corp is now growing tomatoes"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743671 << lol, 'hi-fi tomatoes and cucumbers' ?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: o look, it's in there, some "professor of publishing".
mircea_popescu: and for teh rotaku club : mp three months before discovering bitcoin, explaining why and wherefore it;s needed. http://trilema.com/2011/izvoarele-moralei/
mircea_popescu: prepubescent kid, right you are. but then with puberty the problems begin.