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ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:27:30 mircea_popescu: any preferences re spec ?

lobbes: mircea_popescu: before I commit this fix to a patch, do the excerpts on these comments look saner to you as well? http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/generic-pingback-target/#comment-134

trinque: mircea_popescu: nor I, certainly not what I'm doing. these distros are just... quite large

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aite

mircea_popescu: the server i'm not so desperately concerned about, because that gets baked once and is good for half a decade or more. diana_coman reported she has a running item, so that's... okay.

billymg: mircea_popescu: yup, the plan remains, january will be the time

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:40:36 mp_en_viaje: for as long as your mentality stays "amateur dabbler in tmsr", i stay uninterested.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:37:43 mircea_popescu: and you verified you can actually deploy this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what trinque has to say re cuntoo and try to get bvt to patch against it and so on

billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:39:33 mircea_popescu: billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?

BingoBoingo: The mircea_popescu method works far better than what I could have done on my own. Thank you.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm working on a plan for #agriculturalsupremacy as a castle, but its still too raw to present as a default option on the level of what diana_coman and hanbot can offer.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, well, that's unrelated yes.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, I thought it was just not online.

hanbot: mircea_popescu & c: my channel is/was #trilema-hanbot

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you mean the blog, bimbo.club ? nicoleci runs that

mircea_popescu: ima just change the current "Nov 04 09:50:24 -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot or trinque about it." to a "see #ossasepia or #hanbot" and call it good

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I thought she already had hers but mainly aimed at a different demographic?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, not that she shouldn' t be in there or anything ; but there's #hanbot, might as well make two of these seeing how yours seems to work

hanbot: mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, rather, im thinking a backup #o might be a good idea.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'm still here if there's some q re #o you want me to answer

mircea_popescu: hanbot, you up to date on diana_coman 's castle logs ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-29 09:46:27 mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: just to make sure re order of my next steps here:

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the production server has been running before and it can run again as it is; the issue there is really the one concerning access to the code if we just put it ~anywhere.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: this is added on my tree, I didn't yet get to sign it

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: quite.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: depends on what you mean by "vtron" ; there is http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/

ossabot: Logged on 2019-07-21 08:57:32 diana_coman: hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple test with moving one file to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i am greviously unprepared for this.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every time I wanted to *move* a file rather than have it del/add, it turned out that ...no.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, people use all sorta lulz, "encrypted drives" whatever nonsense. it's a ridiculous state of affairs, but it's what we god, what can we do.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-01-13 09:29:50 mircea_popescu: ad interim the draft is, that the client stores all the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line, the rsa ones in republican format, the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by the rsa key of the client.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we have eucrypt that generates the rsa keys and serpent and all that client and server need; we however do not have (and it was supposedly in discussion/waiting/etc) a clear way to store them securely; let me dig log ref

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it might be useful to go through the list of things perhaps

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: would the demo client be text-only then or what?

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I see; I suppose the thing is that cuntoo is currently a server-side system really (no X)

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, it's the same pile of junk ; but it's very different in terms of utility / justification for impac tin my mind is all.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: there is that, indeed.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:41:51 diana_coman: maintaining the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying that + still having afterwards to make the switch to cuntoo when it's ready

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I would say it's a most improper dependency really

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: production server "uses" cs because it's intertwined with it (uses data types and the like)

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: are we fine with cs as-is on client side? there are 2 aspects there: 1. dynamically linked 2. the dependency on jam/ftjam and all that

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: my main question here would be whether it's worth this intermediate proto-cuntoo step

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:31:53 mircea_popescu: can you boot the server as things stand at all ?

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I missed the "at all" nuance in your second question http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949741 ie I was still in cuntoo-env

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: indeed it does.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that is AMD with dulap-gentoo aka proto-cuntoo aka NOT fully statically linked

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 14:18:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags)

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: atm as they are none will boot because none are fully statically linked.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what do you mean exactly by "boot the server"? (and which one: production or dev?)

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not until I get rid of cs or move it to gnat and build it statically

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I can add detail if/where needed but atm I don't have something I see to add there.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I was waiting on you and you were waiting on me?

mircea_popescu waves at diana_coman

auctionbot: Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 20mn from diana_coman outbidding BingoBoingo. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (139 hours 44 mins)

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ha!

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, and in an unexpected turn of events, your pages are now inspiring trilema articles.

mod6: Hi there all, here's the Foundation Report for October (posted on the website until the ML issue is resolved, or replaced): http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_201910.txt

a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-05 09:37:18 mp_en_viaje: seems to me article's exactly what we're doing.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949577 << I'm sold on 'articles', tho it dun help the cause any that the mp-wp database uses the 'posts' terminology everywhere (posts table, post_id, post_content, etc.)

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The process of construction rarely focuses on the aesthetics of process regardless of how much aesthetics factor into the final product.

lobbes: ty diana_coman for pointing out

lobbes: diana_coman: idk wtf is going on with the !Xhelp command (I'll check this out), but the help page is here if ya need it again: http://www.krankendenken.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/

PeterL: mircea_popescu: that is an article that contains a picture of a cat. My point is that you could post something other than an article.

auctionbot: Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from BingoBoingo outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (161 hours 57 mins)

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, "open as in free not as in beer and source as in source not as in entry!!!"

ossabot: Logged on 2019-05-24 02:56:37 mircea_popescu: what do you find scarier, a mouth open so wide you can see the teeth, or a mouth open so wide you can't even see the teeth ?

auctionbot: Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1 from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (162 hours 13 mins)

nicoleci: mircea_popescu, also not sure what freenode has against sluts

nicoleci: mircea_popescu, lol nice find. i remember you telling me about this.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 08:41:55 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?

spyked: hm. also, it's possible it might have missed some when I purged the notification queue following the spam this weekend. lemme know if they still don't get delivered when you go online using mircea_popescu

spyked: mp_en_viaje, there are currently some pending messages to mircea_popescu, but none to mp_en_viaje

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in back to school news, https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d4b0240a18fd120f26db20c7d0d987e/tumblr_pgxey2Hvry1xy71o1o1_500.jpg

auctionbot: Sell order # 1063 created by mp_en_viaje: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1 ecu Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (167 hours)

mp_en_viaje: !Xsell 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

mp_en_viaje: !xsell 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

mp_en_viaje: !XAuction 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 08:05:05 mp_en_viaje: comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, fair enough.

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: blog is just a made up word as much as post is.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the reason i brought it up being specifically "In the past, software development could be done by applying a series of patches to arrive at a final program state. With v, the patch is replaced with the slightly different vpatch, as described below."

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-29 diana_coman: PeterL: and for completion, the application 2-steps process applies to you just the same as to any newcomer (if anything, due to do-nothing history, you start with a minus compared to them).

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 04:49:11 mp_en_viaje: otherwise, diana_coman http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ << is this homework you assigned ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-05 04:46:58 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?

spyked: mp_en_viaje, it's "post"<->"fuck" tho, innit? so "she was a good fuck" is a closer analogy

mp_en_viaje: otherwise, diana_coman http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ << is this homework you assigned ?

deedbot: asciilifeform paid mircea_popescu invoice 2

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-04 14:46:15 mp_en_viaje: if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.

mp_en_viaje: hanbot, remarkably, diana_coman actually predicted the whole decay spiral last week. quite accurately, at that.

mp_en_viaje: in the terminology of turns, people who don't get their turn are more likely to also not do anything to fix it. so i'm tryin to make a point of it.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:29:03 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, it occurs to me, bvt had just completed a large pile of work re getting the fg in the kernel.

nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, oh yes you're missing out....you should see that thing! asciilifeform couldn't convincingly larp an isp, & is now going to larp - the whole orchestra instead

mod6: mp_en_viaje: Hmm, not sure if I understand the reference exactly. But yeah, had a whole pile of repairs to do around here. Has been keeping me on my toes since late sept.