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gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is what I mean by "we need people to carry the water"
gabriel_laddel: I hope you don't take offense to this but...
trinque: for example an inner join between the schema-describing-tables and the rows describing the grammar was how I wrote a generic to-string for any language in the ebnf tables
trinque: I would have to describe better how I've leaned on there being a declared schema which is also data
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I wish you the best of luck on that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh.
trinque: yeah, I want to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure, then decide nope arbitrarily later
trinque: and that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how to get that on the CL side
trinque: that was where I accidentally bumped into the power of a homoiconic language
trinque: I am a simpleton.
trinque: and tbh I write python in a functional style over mostly primitive types
gabriel_laddel: related: I want to be able to inspect an object, mark it, then jump around through a bunch of other objects and hit a key to get a sexpr representing the accessor corresponding to my traversal.
trinque: and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of the space
trinque: I am a very visual/spatial thinker
trinque: the docs for it, and a way to traverse to related things I might want to use instead
trinque: gimme the same thing for *THIS* I've chosen
gabriel_laddel: :/ I know. Climacs is the inevitable conclusion. Doing the elisp dance around the cl package system just isn't fun.
trinque: I want to have that broken apart into sensible categories of action, a tree structure of sorts from the current point outward to wherever else I might go
trinque: I want two things, at any point I want to know what I have available to me in the context I'm in
trinque: yes that might be the right way; I'm not in a position where I feel I know the best way yet.
trinque: might be easier for me to forget about eldoc and try writing what I actually want from scratch
shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1436644980131s.jpg
gabriel_laddel: To those reading along, how do I know http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197799 ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144266 ☝︎☝︎
gabriel_laddel: trinque: takes too much work. I give up.
ascii_modem: and i know why.
phf: at some point i assume it wasn't retarded, more like "what can i do with these resistors and a soldering iron", became retarded later
ascii_modem: if i were prince - i'd spit
gabriel_laddel: ascii_modem: dija read the part where I specified the reason for this is to impress a prince?
gabriel_laddel: I suppose masturbation counts as exercise.
ascii_modem: fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: ascii_modem: I am currently using CLIM, opengl
gabriel_laddel: I read the relevent cliki page.
phf: i think "minimal set of common lisp primitives" is a common theme on #lisp, not surprisingly with different answers every time
gabriel_laddel: I know, I know.
gabriel_laddel: If *any* of them did this, for any compiler, I'd be rather surprised.
gabriel_laddel: phf: also, I think the loper device will end up being designed on top of CLIM.
phf: i'm not one of those people you're arguing against, i like cl standard just fine. i did paid common lisp consulting on and off for the past 10 years.
gabriel_laddel: I, for example, dislike having both defstruct and defclass in the language.
gabriel_laddel: I was going to put this off until later - but whatever.
gabriel_laddel: Though I wish everyone would *stop it* with making new CLIM, CLIMACS etc. and just make what we have work.
gabriel_laddel: phf: I had not seen this, thanks.
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you seen, nyef is making a new clim version, i think i read something about framebuffer backend
trinque: obviously I want stan's fucking c-gate flowputer if it would mean I can actually reason about the machine's behavior
trinque: I'm trying to say something about acts of desperation around preserving a dying (better) culture in the midst of an insane one.
gabriel_laddel: hrm.. I'll drop something in the logs about forwards compatibility sometime.
trinque: emacs is the closest thing I as a derp coming into the industry in 2006 would ever find which somewhat resembled the experience that was possible *before I was goddamn born*
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm still not sure what you're getting at...
trinque: I use pragmatic as a dirty word
gabriel_laddel: I saw that.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not really sure what you're getting at?
trinque: I compared masamune to emacs somewhere in teh logz
trinque: I wouldn't even be bothering now if I hadn't used emacs for years prior
gabriel_laddel: I'd never phrase it like that, but sure.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: indeed, I "see what you did there" so to speak
gabriel_laddel: hence, I'm pushing for lispy demos everywhere
gabriel_laddel: trinque: fundamentally the only way I see this happening is by getting a great prince to "see" why it is one would like such a thing.
trinque: I'll be fine seeing someone stick a chisel in the ear of emacs, breaking it into the several pieces it should've been
phf: hmm, might be worth giving it a try then. i wrote some code with clim a while back, but that was using lispworks
gabriel_laddel: also, I'm using it at work
gabriel_laddel: earlier I started to modify the address book to handle my rolodex
gabriel_laddel: phf: My dashboard (which I use every day) is CLIM. I edit text in CLIMACS from time to time, use the listener to browse classes.
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you been using mcclim for day to day hacking? last time i tried it, it was very slow. but then it was on a ppc machine, so maybe moore's law took care of that
trinque: I'll try your suggestion there
gabriel_laddel: I ended up binding it to f8, as was tired of pulling it up all the time.
gabriel_laddel: I can't speak to that, but using the class browser is a great boon to CL development.
trinque: I'm open to hearing how I'd use CLIM there
trinque: current thing I'm hacking on is that api server guy
trinque: I haven't really, other than with the intent to learn about CLIM
trinque: I'll take all the CL prosthetics I can get
gabriel_laddel: so I just have to find that, modify the format string
gabriel_laddel: well, doing both is sorta a PITA, so I'll prolly decline that
gabriel_laddel: trinque: alright, gimme a minute and I'll write it for ya
trinque: I can fart around in it
trinque: yeah, I basically want that guy jammed into eldoc
assbot: airwx comments on I am Steve Huffman, the new CEO of reddit. AMA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYrH4T )
trinque: I want hyperspec.el for errethang
trinque: I'd like to see that graph
trinque: am I noticing that the price of mpex trends upward before the price of bitcoin does?
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 19:33:32; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196949 << 1 Corinthians 7:8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: dunno why i'm in the habit of giving them each one.
gernika: mircea_popescu no he seemed to make eye-contact, connect, etc. Aaron Schwartz, who I met at a similar such party (possibly even the same one) struck me as being much more of an autist.
shinohai: plus i only have one good wallet and it broke, so i am 34 weeks behind xD
cazalla: miss my chickens, rip in peace http://i.imgur.com/5UdH5PC.png gonna get some new ones in the spring
punkman: I mostly care about whether the owner of the chickens is in wot rather than colour
Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often ☟︎
hanbot: people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious"
mircea_popescu: i dun think this is much of a novel point. fundamental point. "be the change you wish to see" etc.
mircea_popescu: i especially do not appreciate the b-a equivalent of a convicted felon being treated as he may have an opinion on matters.
decimation: I was curious about the particular census mechanism, and the degree of support amoung 'bitcoin core' 'devs'
cazalla: meh i just saw pgp in the headline, read it and thought perhaps might appeal to others here
mircea_popescu: i don't even give a shit who this vincenzetti derp is. why the fuck would i now care about a sanfilippo derp
decimation: I think most 'adults' in the west would prefer to live in a tv program
gabriel_laddel: I'd love to have a list of lisps all fields you've dived into if possible.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 21:39:21; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178148 << will add to this. in every single field i dive into, i find these 'lisps' - i.e., the ~actual~ state-of-the-art buried under piles of shit strategically crapped out by one, two, more generations of mediocrities
ag3nt_zer0: i mean how long before otp link expires... those arent working from the other day
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1193125<< is that all I was supposed to do? ☝︎
ag3nt_zer0: Wonder if anyone can help ... Am I missing a step when trying to rate somebody? do I have to do something beyond "!rate" command? I ask because I do not see my rating as having appeared to the recipients via BTC Alpha... should I see it or is my rating just not appearing amongst the others because I am not a trusted relationship at this point?
mats: "Every person given a government background check for the last 15 years was probably affected, the Office of Personnel Management said in announcing the results of a forensic investigation of the episode, whose existence was known but not its sweeping toll." << lol, fuck. i'm in this db.
Luke-Jr: I didn't really want to be quoted on that
trinque: I've written this in python already