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asciilifeform: the one i spoke of in the linked thread hasn't been changed in... 2yrs

phf: i think maybe getblocks already works like "get block N" where n is block height. client sends out his top block on a chain, and server responds with a sequences (?) of blocks from then on

asciilifeform: punkman: i have yet to conceive of any wedge or other undesirable effect from it, other than a bit of wasted bandwidth

punkman: asciilifeform: I don't really have a theory. are we sure that nuked orphanage can't cause more wedges?

asciilifeform: when i saw them, i started following the hose, in hopes of finding an ln2 icecream monger !

asciilifeform: long ago, i used to work with dewars quite like these. and never expected to find them on city streets

punkman: mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. << I dunno why patch was needed for this, just remove them manually in next release

asciilifeform: (why? almost certainly for the same reason as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656219 where i live) ☝︎

ag3nt_zer0: am i supposed to enter the entire text file, including ---Begin Public Key Block----, or just the string of shit? sorry don't know the technical term...

ag3nt_zer0: I am trying to enter my public key at nosuchlabs.com but am getting an internal server error

decimation: I suppose the serving node still has some idea of what block N is

asciilifeform: i see nothing wrong with a 'get block N' command.

phf: asciilifeform: of course the easiest option is to add a new network command, that does a sane request for initial block chain parts, but i think it can still be done within the framework of current sync model

decimation: heh. I admit part of me wants to journey to the falkland islands to see the gentoos

phf: asciilifeform: well, i wouldn't say "trivial", but yes

decimation: jurov: I was envision the miners paying for your caches, on the assumption that most folks won't want to pay a third party to clearn bitcoin

decimation: yeah that's kinda what I'm hinting at I guess

phf: asciilifeform: it's not a permanent stuck, but a slowdown. i haven't sent out that orphanage graph that i posted some time ago, because i'm still kicking shit around, but the beahior that you can see from it, is that blocks are sent out as multiple subchains. when a subchain arrives that's missing a parent subchain, it gets rejected many times over and over, until parent subchain is filled in. i think the behavior can be improved by

decimation: ah I see

decimation: I suppose my point (central clearinghouse) is that I foresee some entity like akamai that will 'magic away' this problem for miners, who will all pay for the service

phf: re: orphanage, i'm still investigating, but there's no reason why we can't have a better initial sync block handoff strategy, that doesn't get stock, because some parent in an orphanage subchain failed to get sent out

asciilifeform: i shot that problem in the head

asciilifeform: i still utterly fail to see what is so wrong with classic bitcoin

decimation: asciilifeform: I predict the bitcoin version will be resolved with some kind of central transaction clearhouse monopoly, sadly

asciilifeform: decimation: re: the orphanages, if you have them at all, what you're doing is 'i'll store this piece of shit on your say-so, and MAYBE it will be shown to be a valid block (rx) later'

decimation: no, I would argue that the benefits accrue to specific corporations

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 18:34:53; mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke.

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 18:26:59; asciilifeform: i've been waiting to hear somebody describe ~some~, even very theoretical, down side for those

mircea_popescu: anyway, wanted to see i can first take down random sites with it

decimation: I see ip has here to stay forever, because of the $$ bil it would cost to do otherwise

decimation: yeah I was more interested in the argument that generated it

asciilifeform: ~i~ mentioned it ☟︎

decimation: yeah I didn't recall the encrypted part being mentioned before

decimation: as I recall his objection is that he didn't want third parties to be able to easily glean identites from packets

asciilifeform: but the aspect i'd like to emphasize - one which mircea_popescu thought to be an optional frill and did not include in his spec - is the single-packet authentication.

decimation: I think ascii is proposing something like tor except everyone knows everyone else, and routes accordingly

jurov: ah that i wanted to know

jurov: but i understood it will be built on ip anyway

decimation: asciilifeform: well, I agree with that too

decimation: I suppose it kinda has to use dns to defeat trival remappings

decimation: but I too am curious how disabling qntra's dns while clobbering random bystanders helps anybody

asciilifeform: decimation: i think so

decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel? ☟︎

decimation: I thought it was a porn site

decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html < " Google, of course, claims the fact that it would rather hire out of East Bosnia than East Palo Alto is a competitive trade secret. Well, I suppose. Curiously enough, Apple, Yahoo, and Oracle share the same secret. Ha, ha! Is it a secret to you? It's not a secret to me!"

mod6: i might just be dumb. build a test env with http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt and see if anyone can get the rm_gitignore.patch file to apply without removing the obj/test obj/nogui or obj-test dirrs

mod6: anyway i'll work on it. just don't use the rm_gitignore patch.

mod6: if i want an empty dir, i should be able to have an empty dir

mod6: unless our solution is to add .keep files in there, which i think kinda sucks.

mod6: so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories.

mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. seems easy enough, so crated a quick patch, attempted to apply, worked fine -- I didn't notice that it blew away the directories as well though. : obj/test obj/nogui obj-test

asciilifeform: i'm still not entirely grasping how all of this came about

mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke. ☟︎☟︎

mod6: lol, yeah it's obnoxious. and i think the only way to solve this is to remove them by hand.

asciilifeform: ah i recall

asciilifeform: mod6: iirc patch cannot remove dirs. which is why i wrote 'chicken' the way i did

mod6: i searched lastnight for a looong time to find anything to tell patch to no prune empty directories, but it doesnt seem like an available option.

asciilifeform: i've been waiting to hear somebody describe ~some~, even very theoretical, down side for those ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 11:37:45; punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches

mod6: oh and there is a new Gentoo guide for nomultilib/glibc -- I created it yesterday & trinque verified as well:

mod6: <+punkman> oic now, forgot to put ShrinkDebugFile back in after deleting in first version, sorry! << np, just resubmit and i'll give it another try. or even just pass me a version before submit if you like just to be sure it works. np.

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails? << yeah, it's not really linus or git, it's patch that does the dirty work. and yeah, the makefile depends on being able to write to some of the dirs.

mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps? << it seems that way kinda. i guess people tend to use .gitkeep (an unsupported work around instead. but w/e)

Naphex: but seriously, at some point i will be adding a private button with pay per minute

danielpbarron: or maybe i totally misunderstand the demographic you're looking to attract

danielpbarron: having to do this on display infront of other guys isn't the most condusive to arousal i would imagine

danielpbarron: i mean, why not? why does the troll box have to be visible to other wanker?

mircea_popescu: this is failure of an unprecedented scale, i'm not even sure it can be put into words what exactly it means.

mircea_popescu: and this because if i were the board of an automaker where this happened and the ceo failed to so fire the design team, i'd so fire the ceo.

punkman: I'm

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206146 << i've been mulling over this the whole fucking day, incidentally. if i were ceo of any automaker and the new model made the old models go up in price, i would on the spot fire the entire design team. ☝︎

punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:41:04; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer

mircea_popescu: i guess we're all just holding our breaths for the gossipd

assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 19:07:35; ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.

assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:22:12; assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206064 << sounds yummy. i'll be attempting deployment and report. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i guess ima just buy a c block

punkman: mod6: punkman: I get this error when I try to compile with your patch http://dpaste.com/11G00N1.txt << strange

ben_vulpes: AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails?

mod6: perhaps we just don't use my submitted patch and then I just prune the baracles by hand in the release source base.

mod6: `man 1 patch`: -E When patch removes a file, it also attempts to remove any empty ancestor directories. << i can't get it to leave the empty dirs.

mod6: i can't get it to remove the file and leave the dir, or to just truncate the file and leave the dir.

decimation: I haven't looked into that

mod6: maybe i should just leave it for now.

mod6: i think that one can go away ^^

mod6: I don't see any ref's in the makefile to src/obj/test

assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 02:54:25; mod6: huh, now i have one chain that has 2 that match and one that differs: f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 blk0008.dat && b1d0da3ff6b2b2d6da096f06cf7359ca98e08490ab61202f94468587f51aaee5 blk0008.dat

mod6: i guess src/obj-test needs to stay because of the test stubs & it's ref'd in the makefile. that's fine.

mod6: i think those can actually go away, but src/obj/nogui/ needs to stay.

mod6: oh hmm, for some reason, i don't understand this (maybe someone can look at my patch and tell me why??) but apparently not only were the .gitignore files removed, but the directories were too.

mod6: bascially, what I do is; extract v0.5.3.1, patch up through -verifyall then apply the rm_gitignore patch. then this ^^

mod6: when I compile with my rm_gitignore patch (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html) it fails!

mod6: punkman: I get this error when I try to compile with your patch http://dpaste.com/11G00N1.txt

cazalla: i've got about 20 fava beans, 10 sprouts, bunch of spring onions, rocket and english spinach and i just put some more radish in which should be ready to be pulled once spring arrives

mod6: i've got 22 tomato plants, 8 pepper plants and 4 cucumbers. tomatoes are starting to ripen...

cazalla: plus i lose half my gardening area to shade in the winter here.. shitty houses built close together which block out the sun

cazalla: i planted them mid march from memory and yeah, i am not sure it is worth growing them either given limited space.. take a while

decimation: I love brussel sprouts, I'm not sure it's worth growing them. I guess they are easy to freeze

cazalla: decimation, yeah, probably another 4 weeks or so until i can eat em