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mircea_popescu: aaanyway, suppose diana_coman wants to add a patch to mod6's vtron, to better error messages
asciilifeform: mod6's is actually correct, though i'd prefer it barf loudly and with pomp, rather than silently.
mircea_popescu: aite then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the crapola was formally abolished in v proper.
asciilifeform: phf's vtron apparently is clever, and able to eat both types.
mircea_popescu: im guessing we're just about ready to tighten format here
asciilifeform: ( they however were in there, in asciilifeform's ~original~ vtron . and vdiff . )
mircea_popescu: so then why is it on eg phf's site
BingoBoingo opting out of major decisions until getting in a full sleep in. But, Haz uruguayan numero de telefono
asciilifeform: they should not be in the hashlines.
asciilifeform: it doesn't press because vtron chokes on the timestamps.
mircea_popescu: so then why doesn't it press ? there's something amiss here.
asciilifeform: they won't diverge though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just as soon as someone puts a patch on top of it, the trees will diverge and then phf can exclude the legacy one or w/e it is he does to them
asciilifeform: the file hashes from the fixed genesis will be same.
asciilifeform: fwiw the secondcut requires no change
mircea_popescu: sign a new genesis, abandon this one.
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu do you wanna make the call ?
asciilifeform: but would rather preserve the chronology.
asciilifeform: who wants to recommend The Right Thing for an item like this ?
asciilifeform: the genesis, that is
asciilifeform: that included timestamps
asciilifeform: this was one of those pieces i cooked using obsolete vdiff
asciilifeform: looks like i found the boojum
diana_coman: basically this "sane-mpi" tar.gz: www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.tar.gz
diana_coman: mod6, this is what I have and on which it failed: http://dianacoman.com/available_resources/testmpi.tar.gz
asciilifeform: from the genesis tar
asciilifeform: i think diana_coman has the actual vpatch
diana_coman: yes but the vpatch, not the press itself
asciilifeform: ( at the time i was not yet ready to say properly fuckyou to my heathen readers, who had nfi what is v and did not want to )
mod6: it sounds to me like diana_coman was using that one.
asciilifeform: i prolly oughta remove that link
mod6: are we trying to get this one going then? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/sane-mpi.tar.gz
asciilifeform: meanwhile in world of thick people, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18402
mod6: where is the de-facto mpi tarball?
asciilifeform: i considered to ask 'a hundy of what' but decided not to
asciilifeform: let plain text, stay plaintxt
a111: Logged on 2017-12-06 14:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746620 << pretty sure i "accidentally"-ed a hundy or so at some point, look carefully through the couch cushions.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747237 << I saw, first reaction was "AH SHIT, WHY IS THE BALANCE OFF" ☝︎
asciilifeform: since that item i've avoided stuffing'em into tarballs, it doesn't help but often trips up various automated items like phf's
phf: asciilifeform: something like that. my btcbase vpatch grepper is dumb (it's my own eyes, but not the brain) and it's mostly just looking for things that look like a vpatch/vdiff. i definitely didn't unpack the first post tgz
asciilifeform: or, to be absolutely pedantically correct, it was posted when the article first written, whereas 'second cut' was added later.
asciilifeform: ( supposing this makes a difference )
asciilifeform: it is in the tarball
asciilifeform: genesis was posted from the day my article was written, phf
phf: asciilifeform: i had issues specifically with an older, genesis-less version. my system doesn't require antecedents to be there, but for some reason when there's only one, antecedent-less patch it gives me a 404. i've not actually investigated, since you produced a genesis since
mod6: hi, looks like you've had some issues with my v : asciilifeform & diana_coman, I'll have to take a look at this later when I can. thx.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 18:23 mircea_popescu: maybe his thing didn't eat it for some reason.
asciilifeform: now i recall also that phf had some trouble at first eating the thing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739113 and elsewhere. but i can't seem to find in the log whether he ever said what the problem was, and how fixed. ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: post plaintext one, possibly ben_vulpes or mod6 or someone else, will notice what is the cause before i do
asciilifeform: i unfortunately will not be able to touch this in next few hrs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do me a favour, tar up the entire thing
diana_coman: asciilifeform, v99 (taken from here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html ) complains that "No roots found!" -> what am I missing?
diana_coman: myeah, I had done the renaming
asciilifeform: and persists still if the filename is fixed, so it wasn't the cause.
asciilifeform: this happens only in mod6's vtron, the bug is replicated by asciilifeform just now ( however yet unexplained. )
asciilifeform: otoh the flow,
asciilifeform: silently ignoring bad input by-default can be permissible, but to do it ~always~ is not The Right Thing , gotta give something to debug with.
asciilifeform: still fails to recognize that mpi_second_cut.vpatch exists
diana_coman: ah, that might be it, makes sense
diana_coman: anyways, will try with asciilifeform's v for now; maybe mod6 has some idea on this later
diana_coman: (did that before even running v anyway)
diana_coman: a gpg --verify here worked perfectly fine for me too on both patches
asciilifeform: i redownloaded own item just now, and verified the sig successfully
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, nope, I just downloaded it again today so it's the new one
asciilifeform: diana_coman: then can rule out bad pubk
mircea_popescu: had alt paths there
asciilifeform: sigs dun change tho
asciilifeform: sounds like a bug in mod6's vtron, thus far
diana_coman: ok, let me try with yours too then, can't hurt
diana_coman: v f shows only the genesis
BingoBoingo: No pictures of quality this time, but have located mall, mall casino, and place where sleeping
diana_coman: but it seems to think there are no descendants on it (so v d mpi-genesis.vpatch returns empty)
diana_coman: ftr it finds the genesis patch fine
diana_coman: mod6 or asciilifeform, can you help? I'm trying to press asciilifeform's second patch for sane-mpi and V complains that it can't find the vpatch file although it is there (and I checked the sig too and it's all fine); I'm running your V, version thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz.mod6 ; I have the following folder structure: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1ZwgW/?raw=true; Here's the error when I run v press verbose . mpi_second_cut.vpa
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/various-multitudes/ << Trilema - Various multitudes
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/06/the-midwestern-rube-arrives-in-uruguay/ << Bingo Blog - The Midwestern Rube Arrives In Uruguay
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNr99mM-cL4 << like that
mircea_popescu: ie, isn't a port from system with kbd-and-mouse, but actually designed / thought into the terms of a tapdevice.
mircea_popescu: imo it's the definitive showcase of the platform.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#comment-123640 : Party of Heroes prolly best one of the entire whole lot.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform only gets ear pop in the subway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, i often get ear popping IN THE CAR, getting down from fortress mp to civilisation.
asciilifeform: somehow in 'dream logic' it seemed entirely unsurprising that 'nam' were still a going concern.
asciilifeform: with plane full of other cannon fodder. but that's all the detail that was painted.
BingoBoingo: then Republic of Texas to Panama was napping while descent started, damage done
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so did you get nam over with by your own self or was there a sidekick ?
mircea_popescu: a did it ? i forgot too.
asciilifeform while BingoBoingo flew, slept, and dreamed that he was conscripted into american army; and when asked 'where do you want to go' answered 'let's straight to 'nam, get it over with' and was sent.
mircea_popescu: poor bb DID say he's total noob.
mircea_popescu: #trilema fails to warn.
BingoBoingo: Well, i did forget it was a thing and underestimated how big a deal it would be until first leg of trip ended
mircea_popescu: maybe they were doing it discreetely.
BingoBoingo: No, none of them did.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're supposed to suck aircock the whole way, didn't the stewardess tell you ?
mircea_popescu: by the time you crashland you're more or less CNCd into a ball already. just like an egg that was tumbled with rocks.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but yes, airflight ain't all it's cracked up to be. only seems a big deal before ape invents airplane. << Only really big deal besides boredom and comms blackout is barotraumo to the ears
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re that : i don't think most people are equipped to evaluate how much it'd suck. i base this on my own experience, whereby i didn't understand what sex in tub is like before trying.
mircea_popescu: much like marriage seems much more of an ideal state to 13yo than later on.
mircea_popescu: but yes, airflight ain't all it's cracked up to be. only seems a big deal before ape invents airplane.