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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu & diana_coman specifically asked asciilifeform to rebake udp proggy in keccak.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
asciilifeform: mod6: i sat down and resolved to give diana_coman the promised item, but presently loox like won't happen tonight
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/v_noworky.tar.gz << the complete tarball with both variants, patches, seals, .wot, my attempt thus far. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al -- plox to reveal what you pressed this tree with , thx
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all pantsuit 'philosophy' in the end resolves to 'you say you have brain, but we have BIGGER BOULDER haha'
mircea_popescu: THAT is the underlying, "Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used." in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 ; that's WHAT "color of bits" is all about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall also 'the progre could not master speech'
hanbot: mircea_popescu quite. you oughta simply infer the meaning from its context! gargauntuation day!
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 18:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her/ ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 17:35 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly (see above) this is imagined headache, i'ma see
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
asciilifeform: would rather switch wholesale to phf's, since it apparently performs to satisfaction of diana_coman
phf: asciilifeform: i have one, i use it for testing, but it's not particularly kosher, e.g. it uses Argument/Argument_Count etc. i'll post it in a bit, maybe you can rework it on your bench
asciilifeform: mod6: i've been using my orig vtron all this time. but recently diana_coman & mircea_popescu prodded, 'what's yer excuse for not moved to modern keccak-v' and i had no good counter, it's really time, so nao gotta actually uncrate phf's and make it go
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too. I'm still using my vtron.
phf: asciilifeform: fyi if you're using your own v, you would want to remove vtools_vdiff_sha, vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc and vdiff_sha_static patches from patchset, because your v will get confused
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty, was all i needed
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma bake a new-style set and post closer to nightfall, currently boiling in cauldron of liquishit
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu and errybody can rename patches to be anyffing at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trb is 100% sha currently
diana_coman: out of curiosity: why "asciilifeform_keccak" rather than "keccak"?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: because it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v.
asciilifeform: i'ma wait an' see what mircea_popescu says re subj
asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody ) ☟︎
diana_coman: I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what's the fastest way to do this ? ( i.e. do you recall whether phf published his converter ? or do i gotta crank it manually )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels. << Pressure sensitive check valve which leaks if they roll into unapproved positions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alt-enter iirc
asciilifeform: lemme know when it is time to ship to mircea_popescu the trinitron.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think i've ever mounted a disk by label
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol they renamed 'mnt' ?
Mocky: mircea_popescu, this first step of Commercial Registration gives trade name, ability to open corp bank acct, accept customer payments, purchase company assets. In addition to small fees there's an annual fee of ~400 to 2000 USD per declared business activity, each activity has its own fee. This process appears to be quick and easy.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, forming an LLC in Qatar requires a bank deposit of 200k QR (55k USD) which can be withdrawn after the company is formed >> http://www.mec.gov.qa/en/services/commerce-corner/Pages/How-to-establishment-a-new-Commercial-record-and-new-.aspx
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: China wants to eat beef
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prev 3 datapoints suggested 'can mail with 30% bakshish' ; but apparently yes, will have to return to orig hypothesis.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ? << I'm trying to find restaurant Chinese here. The only Chinese Chinese I reliably come across are new chinese wearing suits and renting WTC to buy cows.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 21:12 mircea_popescu: the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes selectable text, when
mircea_popescu: I reached out to this new contact, one Martin << whatever happened to this fellow btw ? story as recorded by ben_vulpes seems altogether inconsistent with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854501 ? did i miss some developments ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i'm thick, this needs a specialist who's actually trustworthy, neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the exact point of eggog is unclear to me, this is why i asked BingoBoingo to dig.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik erry uppity peonistan regards errything mailed there as customsable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's actually the part that set my blood pressure
asciilifeform: ( unless mod6 or ben_vulpes wants to be next. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that BingoBoingo sniffed erry possible local arse for local source.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you think of less braindamaged ? ( say i had budgeted 9000 spares for april expedition. then we'd be sitting on 8994 lemon drives. )
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 1s delay seems to result at least on UK->UY direction on preserving even order at destination, at least at this hour; at any rate, I'll look at it tomorrow and unless I can spot some trouble, it should then be chugging along
mod6: diana_coman has a point, aren't we supposed to grease the wheels in such a palce?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think we have something like your earlier bank wire thing, going
asciilifeform: 'tis a crying shame that mircea_popescu doesn't live in uy... i suspect there's a cunt somewhere who needs flaying.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: normal people make bakshish request with a 'pay here'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm beginning to suspect enemy action (i.e. some 'well-wisher' made a call to 'the right organs' in orcistan, or somesuch )
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot scheduled to patch ? << iirc this is second instance of query. i'll patch it this week, yes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will investigate
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, usg 3ringbinder talmud prolly decreed that they must try at least 11 times..
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the FUCK are "poetry circles" ? what fucking circles ? something like http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/ ? or not even ? << That. Get high go to coffee shop with bongo drum, etc
asciilifeform: imho there is substance to mircea_popescu's 'winblowz was created by supernumerary children who failed to find grave in time' hypothesis
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could easily not be unrelated tho
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854271 << that's what this is, dood. same size sent every hour "accross possible sizes"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854241 <<< she;s gonna publish the code with the first batch of results, so anyone can / everyone's invited to replicate.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854224 << i don't think it is.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
phf: mircea_popescu, ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QtjVR/?raw=true this was the log from the last invocation, but i'm not sure if it's representative of an issue. this was downstream from a handful of hacks and manual invocations
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds of ancient convo b/w asciilifeform and pet : 'p : 'i want a shelfifier' a: 'you mean, a shelf' p : 'no, shelfifier' a: '...' p: 'device that produces shelf where and when needed, then removes' '
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 16:15 mircea_popescu: hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
asciilifeform: wouldn't go this far; dunno about mircea_popescu , but i'm presently connected to fleanode, trb, etc via tcp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does have the flavour of 'culinary shortcomings of dog shit' treatise, eh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'catalogue of tcp braindamage' is prolly ripe for an article. ( sadly asciilifeform is mired in liquishit and prolly will not write it this wk )
mircea_popescu: "Discussion on how mircea_popescu does not like the new extension (v), as it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v" << this is so fucking cute. what's sensata-perceptible, bimbo ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ? << It isn't in the mpwp v-tree, no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the braindamage of tcp, iirc, is elaborated in buncha old threads
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:05 diana_coman: aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 14:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 13:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 12:30 diana_coman: uhm, correction re above since I messed up the pilot test earlier (sender sent 100 as shown, but receiver waited for only 50 and then turned off so not much use); updated pilot test with receiver properly looping forever and sender sending 100 packets: 81 of those made it; sender log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zs4p5/?raw=true ; receiver log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4qiPb/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 11:13 diana_coman: following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i have a suspicion that saturation bursts trigger anti-ddos hackolade in some places
asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik, the remaining fundamental variants are 1) single-sized volleys, for various sizes 2) this, and the earlier variant, at max possible saturation
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you set it display the ones that ~didn't~ make it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw i'd like to share an old asciilifeform algo; not sure if directly applicable to diana_coman's proggy, but may come in handy: for synchronous packetron. to determine when to resend a packet, you wait time T; T is initially a pessimistic value, e.g. 800 msec; but once you start getting responses, you set it at all times to the ~minimal~ response delay observed thus far. and if reply wait exceeds T, you resend & restart the clock.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: have you tried in reverse path ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that the % of surviving fragged packets will drop as you saturate the link ( with e.g. GB thrown at line speed )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 09:06 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853827 -> sounds at least like something worth getting some data on, yes; I wouldn't even be surprised if ~any frag results in mostly lost packets
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 19:43 mircea_popescu: diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:10 mircea_popescu: but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.
a111: Logged on 2015-10-10 12:08 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: mircea_popescu , and he historically built 'cheap and angry' . quite likely will migrate off fleanode in not long.
asciilifeform: in fact, quite likely i'ma bake it as soon as mircea_popescu blows the trumpet and decrees that it's time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu rarely voices n00bs any moar these days.