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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i carefully summarized the antecedents to 'stator' for hanbot (see log)
decimation: I don't see any way around that
asciilifeform: i said before, will say again: if the labour of crunching the patches looms large, it is only because folks are not undergoing the greater torment of reading them
ben_vulpes: i am now imagining all sorts of dumb things like patches contributed in ml 'threads'
trinque: decimation: I was thinking this might be a web app
asciilifeform: trinque: i happen to think that throwing patches to ml, where they are all visible in chronological order, is a step forward from them living on my www
decimation: I can't think of an off-the-shelf tool that would do everything mentioned above though
ben_vulpes: oh don't mind me, i'm just grumpy about a frictive process
decimation: part of the problem with the mailing list I see is that it's difficult to reconstruct the context of patches
asciilifeform: 'why do i have to stand here and watch the hill'
asciilifeform: 'why am i sleeping in a hole in the ground next to hole in the ground where i shat'
asciilifeform: 'why do i have to move these sandbags?'
asciilifeform: also the continuity of identity. if, for example, my patches at some point go from tiny to elephantine, from single-purpose to 'omnibus', from deadly-simple to 'wtf is that' - folks are to presume that i have been finally killed and key is in hands of hitler. and should then rate accordingly. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i sign xxx. the readers are then free to rate me accordingly. this is how is works, by design.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes i have nothing against 'git', 'mercurial', etc., and even sometimes use these in civilian life, there is even somewhere ~horror~ a 'github' page with my name and some old crud, yes. but the ~canonical walk from pedigreed 0.5.3 to therealbitcoin~ has to be in .patch form!
trinque: all I'm grumpy about is having something structured to put the patches in, really, with branching
asciilifeform: but yes, my particular ml posts are geared toward helping the folks i know to be presently involved ( ben_vulpes, mod6, trinque, mircea_popescu, shinohai, punkman, hanbot, who else?) to build.
ben_vulpes: i will be off to eat shortly.
ben_vulpes: i'm not critiquing your patchstacking, note.
ben_vulpes: i know this.
ben_vulpes: patches and signatures in the repository itself. i'd not be averse.
ben_vulpes: he can correct me if i'm wrong.
ben_vulpes: all i ever heard was "git=invitation for tard collaborators" ☟︎
decimation: I thought ascii was okay with repos as long as it was clear which patches 'caused' the repo state
trinque: I watched a guy drink himself to death because you know, unix wasn't everything-is-a-table
ben_vulpes: how much hell would i catch for sharing this with others?
trinque: I bet it's in git too, you filthy swine
ben_vulpes: *i* have a repo. *it* has a *stable* and an *experimental* branch.
ben_vulpes: i'm just trying to operate within these crazy boundaries. i don't have any process improvements that i'm sure wouldn't get shot down in a new york second from asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: i can just imagine the arguments ☟︎
trinque: I had a hell of a time figuring out where I should be re: patches, at least before giving up and using rotor instead.
trinque: hey yo, I made a lot of noise about process early on
ben_vulpes: from experience i know that the more difficult it is to test the software, the less likely anyone is to actually do so. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: last release, i'd prefer. asciilifeform tends to stack his patches atop one another.
BingoBoingo: Most intimidating part of current realbitcoin is where the fuck do I submit a diff from? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm still 1.5klol behind
decimation: I'm still confused about this map thing. does anyone know exactly which map ascii is talking about?
ben_vulpes: "i don't know, let's test it during code review"
ben_vulpes: i'm all for barriers to entry here but this is a goddamn development obstacle course
ben_vulpes: i tried once
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the heroism of "fuck you, it's all stable". but then that comes at a cost.
ben_vulpes: not that i'm not infinitely indebted to you for unwedging my coracle but a hint of context'd be useful.
asciilifeform: i gotta eat. brb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he does have a point. and normally i include some 'work of literature' with these
ben_vulpes: so ofc i /try/ first patch
ben_vulpes: second patch contained a link to mp's "dis wat i do, yo"
asciilifeform: just 'here's a patch, i'd better eat it'
decimation: oh I thought this was all about the stl map, not boost unordered map
ben_vulpes: so i am to expect that patches arriving in the ML aren't even tested now?
ben_vulpes: that's the one i'm using!
ben_vulpes: however the build i made on 7-15 with the dumpblock patch boots from the same datadir.
ben_vulpes: myes, i agree.
asciilifeform: (historically, i've found that fatal problems with db typically come from a dirty death)
asciilifeform: i don't see it in the paste
ben_vulpes: i'll try to nuke some state and come back with more useful information.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't even see it doing anything with strace
asciilifeform: decimation: i often watch the trains go by, where i live. often, whole train is this.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Can make HCFS, but... less of it. Far less ears on the corn than I expect to see.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 02:36:09; BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have not observed this, no
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 02:24:30; asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
asciilifeform: (i suppose the entrails of untermenschen differ from those of aryans, hence degree doesn't count)
mircea_popescu: i got to bypass normal college entrance exams because olympiads.
decimation: I bet it would work
BingoBoingo: <decimation> my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time << In hometown I once pulled permit to fuck with wiring by saying "Hey mayor Joe, sign this"
decimation: I found it disappointing that having an ee degree counts for nothing when designing wiring for your house
mircea_popescu: but i'm too lazy to actually figure it, so.
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely clear why the thiord phase is 160 rather than 110 in eu syste, but anywya
asciilifeform: ^ in the city where i wurk
BingoBoingo: Ozone isn't as bad as the cigarettes I already smoke
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/KgCCvTC.jpg
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, I want the raw shit before it hits the transformer. I want to light my abode with an arc stretching across the room.
mircea_popescu: i think the usa 480 is used in place of the 2kv myeah
mircea_popescu: i imagine in the us it costs note from stalin
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too. << tell me about it
jordandotdev: I don't know it was in my autojoin channels list
BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage. ☟︎
asciilifeform: could've sworn i had this dish here
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin << US pretty rotten with heroin too. DEA pressure on doctors and economy will do that.
decimation: I suspect that usg isn't too heartbroken over it
asciilifeform: but i will also not say that it is an unfounded belief
asciilifeform: i will not say that this is factual
asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect if were simple it would have been done already << Why no 7nm junction consumer chips?
decimation: same thing. I think they still grow poppies for us opiate industry
decimation: I suspect if were simple it would have been done already
asciilifeform: i can hardly think of any industry more idiotically hidebound than the dope folks
decimation: I think they do make LED grow lights but then you are talking $$$$
BingoBoingo: Honestly by now I'd expect them to embrace the LED efficienty or build their own reactors.
decimation: well, I'm assuming most installations use several of these 1000w units
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles << I remember freshman year of undergrad being high as fuck reading about infared indentification of marijuana and not realizing till I sobered up that they were talking grow lights and not smoke.
decimation: I can't imagine that these lights are installed safely
asciilifeform: poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if there weren't some usg collusion with the manufacturers
decimation: I find shortwave to be more interesting
decimation: I have a few of those
decimation: at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff
decimation: yeah I would like to hear 'adult use'
decimation: I can't imagine it would work well
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!