asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: not from the net.

asciilifeform: and ideally, from ~your other disk~

asciilifeform: you do it when you buy a new disk. that's it.

asciilifeform: there is NO reason to download them on every build

asciilifeform: and in many cases, in particular the one now contemplated, is wholly unnecessary: fetching the trb deps is a once-per-machine thing

asciilifeform: it is a psychologically-destructive habit

asciilifeform: my position is that the customary degree of automagic: 'auto-fetch latest widget from central repo!11' - is not something that ought to be kept.

asciilifeform: there is a reason i dun like it

asciilifeform: possibly even deedbotted - though i have not been able to turn up the link

asciilifeform: pretty sure i signed a set of rotor dep hashes a while back.

asciilifeform: it was the 'sign tarballs of liquishit' thing that led me to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545

asciilifeform: this 'here are the turds' thing are not something that ought to become habit.

asciilifeform: sign that.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502694 << i'd make the downloader, if there must be one, a separate script. ☝︎

asciilifeform: in the sense of enumeration.

asciilifeform: my point was that we actually have a handle on ~all~ the deps

asciilifeform: before the great cleansing

asciilifeform: the deps are strictly: 1) gcc 2) some libc (musl works ok) 3) boost 4) openssl 5) bdb.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502685 << what has mircea_popescu been smoking?? there is no qt in trb ☝︎

asciilifeform: hoap.

asciilifeform: and, quite possibly, they envision it turning into $100m when 'made mandatory for legit exchanges' etc

asciilifeform: 'i have a fine portrait of the pharaoh machined from pure shitanium' 'have $1m'

asciilifeform: it's a 'tin woman'

asciilifeform: tru.

asciilifeform: but hell knows.

asciilifeform: if the blacklist peddlers have half a brain, they distribute the thing as hashes

asciilifeform: find list, fire away, why not

asciilifeform: presumably there is a pile of payola available to favoured sons, in this particular flavour.

asciilifeform: apparently it never runs out !1111

asciilifeform: s is a great step … towards our goal of getting rid of any sort of illicit activity in bitcoin.”'

asciilifeform: 'Recently, the IWF provided Elliptic a database of bitcoin addresses that they identified with child porn. With this information, Elliptic can identify those illegal activities on the blockchain (bitcoin’s public ledger of transactions). James Smith, CEO of Elliptic said this regarding their involvement: “This is the first time anybody has started identifying these crimes in bitcoin and flagging them up in a system like ours. Thi

asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/07/13/new-partnership-aims-to-put-an-end-to-child-porn-related-bitcoin-use

asciilifeform: possibly a properly-built rotor will give same turdwise output on all boxes.

asciilifeform: iirc linker.

asciilifeform: shinohai: you are unlikely to get bitwise-repeatable binary: gcc embeds turds

asciilifeform: reminds me of ancient 'machine guns of the world' 133337 w4r3z rar, with scanz of old ink prints for same

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato. old-school drawings

asciilifeform: but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502551 is a point, and it is why folks can't resist the desire to build gigantic cannons - expands the circle of 'there to do it' ☝︎

asciilifeform: afaik there are no ferrous metals in the prototype, nor do there need to be

asciilifeform: but in usg implementation, even ordinary rifle, recall, needs 50x the servicing anybody would expect.

asciilifeform: half the point was, no barrel, no cleaning, etc

asciilifeform: 200k?!

asciilifeform: most targets (e.g., sampans) weren't worth a torpedo.

asciilifeform: from pov of usg, rocket suffers from ww2 torpedo problem:

asciilifeform: fire 1,001 for cost of 1 rocket.

asciilifeform: bullet is cheap. hence the lure.

asciilifeform: more so, because it large, carries fuel.

asciilifeform: and rocket is every bit as subject to drag as bullet.

asciilifeform: actually it is because of the Hochdruckpumpe problem (ain't no barrel thick enough for icbm 'bullet') but also limit on g-force for complicated mechanism like nuke.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unlike any type of cannon, railgun imposes no limit on projectile energy. that is the whole reason for it. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502353 << efficiency has 0 to do with it! calculate, for lulz, the efficiency of making gunpowder and then launching a projectile with it. (it is in single-digit %, at best.) big fat whoop that the gunpowder-making happens on land. the real reason for railgun is illustrated by the failure of the german Hochdruckpumpe cannon. ☝︎

asciilifeform: rings have 0 to do with it. in pc arch, every device on the bus can issue dma cycles and clobber ram.

asciilifeform: because idiot iron.

asciilifeform: because they are all part of the kernel.

asciilifeform: which is to say, i can overwrite any byte in physical ram from within a driver.

asciilifeform: on x86, or any other platform with dma, all drivers are 'part of the kernel' whether honestly stated or not.

asciilifeform: (why do 1,001 sound cards need to exist?) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: and most of it is only there because of hardware idiocy.

asciilifeform: PERIOD.

asciilifeform: the problem is that there is more than ~10,000 lines of it. ☟︎

asciilifeform: linux is already largely broken into modules. that is not the problem.

asciilifeform: it is purely a product of sloth, vanity, and deliberate вредительство.

asciilifeform: there is no actual problem that warrants a system of that complexity.

asciilifeform: it is idiocy, just like the idea of a continent-sized office building is

asciilifeform: but i am against code bases of that scale, for any reason whatsoever

asciilifeform: not only this,

asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/02/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system.html << ben_vulpes wrote a spiffy intro to v.

asciilifeform: consider: you wouldn't sign a contract that has convenient blank pages for the counterparty to add whatever the fuck he wants into , later

asciilifeform: this is quite deliberate.

asciilifeform: the 'let's use git without central repo, and pass around signed diffs' thing was suggested ages ago, and i wrote v specifically to shoot it in the head; because signed standard diffs, that can be applied 'fuzzily', are evil. v diffs contain hash-on-entry and hash-on-exit, and if either doesn't match, it is a no go.

asciilifeform: nor does the thing force a particular type of crypto signature - any program that functions similarly to pgp, generating a detached signature, can be used.

asciilifeform: can write them himself, or send via carrier pigeon, if he likes

asciilifeform: it is entirely up to the operator how to go about getting v patches onto his box.

asciilifeform: Framedragger et al: consider, there is no concept of a 'repo' in v. nor of pulling, nor pushing, nor merging. in fact the thing (as properly implemented) doesn't make any use of network at all.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502442 << the resemblance to git is wholly superficial. this probably deserves an article.. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502423 << mirrored crud ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502371 << sorta why 'future with fusion' would still include synthetic liquid fuels (made, however inefficiently, from atmospheric co2 and h2 from water) ☝︎

asciilifeform: the n2 is also not good for much

asciilifeform: ramjet?

asciilifeform: but go, aim

asciilifeform: iirc attraction of railgun was : shooting at ~incoming~ rockets etc

asciilifeform: (to borrow gibsonism)

asciilifeform: one of the dogmen falls into disgrace and decides that he could bugger all of the bubblefolk at once, if only he 'jacks in' himself

asciilifeform: i'd put in a fall:

asciilifeform: 'the epic war between bug and boot' is a short story, indeed

asciilifeform: 4 iirc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider continuing the tale? it was spiffy

asciilifeform: in old world parlance : signal corps.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is the field-grunt arm of nsa. traditionally headed by same stuffed shirt as the better-known one.

asciilifeform: and they will make it look entirely legit, to whatever naked eye.

asciilifeform: a great many folks who are in a position to enthrone clitler, by whatever means, regardless of what winblowz CE buttons the sheeple click on in the voting booths, will be doing their thing.

asciilifeform: possibly elsewhere also.

asciilifeform: yes!

asciilifeform: 'nuisance litigants'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502191 << mno, the 'sovereign citizen' thing ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502193 << 1) hire buncha stage extras 2) dress'em in uniforms 3) parade 's33333kr1t agentz!111' 'illicitly' 4) ??? 5) profit!111 ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'Supreme Court justices don’t — at least until now — take public stands on presidential or other elections. One reason is that they are barred from doing so by the federal code of judicial conduct...'

asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/12/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-has-crossed-way-way-over-the-line/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_3_na << relatdd.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nah, that's free