asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found, what, six? seven ?

asciilifeform: or machinist who will accept an essay in lieu of a drawing.

asciilifeform: or an architect who will agree to design a building ~wholly~ by putting words, sentences, to paper.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: find me a chemist - a practicing, professional organiker - who will not barf at this suggestion.

asciilifeform: (though many do, i have)

asciilifeform: there is a reason why most folks play chess with a board vs with telephone

asciilifeform: but this is NOT the most convenient format for ~editing~ (transforming, etc) the thing.

asciilifeform: you can do it in ~arbitrary detail

asciilifeform: just as, close your eyes and describe your house to a stranger

asciilifeform: this is not actually hard to do if you have the item in your head.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu should have asked 'tell it to the builders instead of showing paper'

asciilifeform: chemistry-in-words makes about the same amount of sense as cad in words.

asciilifeform: y'know, the buggers actually ARE 3d (arguably 3.5d) ~physical objects~

asciilifeform: of an item that wasn't in the book

asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever actually done an organic synthesis ? in anger ?

asciilifeform: what's the / do ?

asciilifeform: (incidentally does mircea_popescu do his organic chem without filthy heathen 2d drawings ? as words ? )

asciilifeform: how do i benzol ring ?

asciilifeform: (most weren't, simply ignored the news)

asciilifeform: textbooks, i shit thee not, had to be junked

asciilifeform: before laughing, consider, iupac gold standard program HUNG when fed chiralane for the first time.

asciilifeform: will mircea_popescu barf when a boojum turns up in the massive iupac rule set this imports ?

asciilifeform: see, if i can't ~paste~ the equation from the viewer into my algebratron, and evaluate it, the system is broken.

asciilifeform: (machine w/out the plugin is painful to use if you ever try to copy/paste, you end up getting bitmaps)

asciilifeform: and if you have the old mathtex plugin thing, they do not

asciilifeform: yes but iirc they get generated.

asciilifeform: they seem to have something like it

asciilifeform: how does the thing on pediwikia work ?

asciilifeform: lel who said i wanted buttons ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's machine can turn it into sanskrit if he likes.

asciilifeform: what i do have a problem with is 'stop using integral signs, spell it out'

asciilifeform: at any rate i have 0 problem with this.

asciilifeform: the only proggy i've ever encountered which did. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it will actually crap out translit when you hit f3 ('view file') if the terminal doesn't have cyrillic.

asciilifeform: (srsly)

asciilifeform: 'midnight commander' does.

asciilifeform: would mircea_popescu also say that machine should transliterate the greek texts for you ?

asciilifeform: if you cannot read integral, you are not literate.

asciilifeform: sorta what literacy means - to have the huffman table in your head.

asciilifeform: i can say. and, if it isn't likely to be in the reader's huffman dictionary already - do say.

asciilifeform: which means, yes, integral signs, matrices, tensors, whatever notation i define ~for the occasion~ even.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fits-in-head means that i get to huffmanize TO THE MAX

asciilifeform: is it because this set of chars happened to exist on underwood typewriter ?

asciilifeform: i sorta wonder how mircea_popescu draws the line at 'this much notation is enough.' i.e., why he does not demand that phuctor stats be spelled out in whole words rather than using arabic digits.

asciilifeform: or can just say we did. 'see l0gz.'

asciilifeform: do we have to do the mega-thread again?

asciilifeform: this is lunacy.

asciilifeform: go and represent the duplicated-sshkeys thing in.. words.

asciilifeform: original thread which led us here concerned... charts

asciilifeform: 'gui' is not equivalent in meaning to 'microshit word'

asciilifeform: a concept which pointedly has no room for half-second delays after every keystroke

asciilifeform: i thought the idea was 'sane gui'

asciilifeform: and the browser.

asciilifeform: fuck html.

asciilifeform: ew

asciilifeform: and so they were. but at the cost of having this other pile of shit.

asciilifeform: human typesetters ~had~ to be expelled from mathematics.

asciilifeform: was very much a crude and desperate hack. knuth suffered from idiot typesetters who 'what's one exponent more or less'

asciilifeform: jurov: it is ill-designed in 1,001 ways.

asciilifeform: and http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/pizzatool.gif .

asciilifeform: http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/smegmas.gif

asciilifeform: arms of the Macintosh II. With the toolbox under AUX, all the windowy programs on the MacII will have a clear, understable, and universal user interface. With other alternatives, we face the very real prospect of each window (program) having a different user interface. That, friends, will be the death of UNIX. '

asciilifeform: 'Fri, 5 Feb 88... The astonishing baroqueness of X is the greatest threat to the general sucess of UNIX to have come along since System V hit the streets. If you try to give an X system to a real human being, not a computer hacker masquerading as a normal person, they will croak. If X doesn't instantly burn out their eyes and brain, causing them to throw their UNIX box out the nearest high window, it will drive them straight into the

asciilifeform: http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lang/NeWS.html << lulzier still

asciilifeform: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NetworkExtensibleWindowSystem << moar.

asciilifeform: the simpler, braindead x11, survived.

asciilifeform: (likewise, '80s hardware was not quite up to the task of the rendering)

asciilifeform: but it suffered from the crippling limitations of the c-machine, and withered away.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506906 << the funny thing is, this was made, in 1980s, at considerable expense, it was called 'NeWS' ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506907 << that's not a repl; that's crapola, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506177 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506889 << he wanted a repl that can shit graphics. which is something that to this very day is ~monopoly of a gargantuan closed commercial item, 'mathematica'. except that most 'i want a graphical repl' folks don't know this, and think that their imitations (which are roughly what glbse was to mpex) are the real thing. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (iirc he did, right before the jail)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 << surprised he hasn't yet shown up here to offer cheeeeeap death ray! ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506885 << Framedragger point to actual instance of this ? in the logz ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: '“I vote Trump! free Internet”. Approximately 1.6 Gb's of data was exposed, with the report stating that 68.3% of users had their identities or other sensitive information exposed upon connection. Nearly 25% of the users browsed porn sites, while only a little over 5% used the connections to play Pokemon Go' << such brilliance!111

asciilifeform: i tried, failed, had to ask for whole thing to be thermonuked and reformatted.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha!

asciilifeform: as with the earlier ninjaimbecile

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the choicest lulz were in pm

asciilifeform: perhaps half of that number ever had so much a ~thought~ of being employed.

asciilifeform: lafonde's 'dindus', unsurprisingly, also do not count as 'unemployed'

asciilifeform: when kicked out for being 65 y.o.

asciilifeform: because their count as 'retiree'

asciilifeform: old folks, for instance, forced into an early 'catfood diet' retirement, do not

asciilifeform: in entire life.

asciilifeform: for any length of time whatsoever.

asciilifeform: quite likely not 1 in 10 laid off folk, ever appear in the 'unemployed' column.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is approximately correct.

asciilifeform: mats: one obvious example - a great many folks never figure in the score at all, because they are 'contractor'

asciilifeform: they have ~0 connection to reality.

asciilifeform: mats: usg 'employment' figures make 'climate science' look honest.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: (i have not recently checked.)

asciilifeform: supposing he had not snipped his articles re same.

asciilifeform: for details see tlp.

asciilifeform: that involves, e.g., ~random fire from small-caliber pea shooters, rather than, say, blown bridges

asciilifeform: for playing out a script helpfully written for them by their masters.

asciilifeform: nobody optimized for bodies, or they would torch crowded clubs etc.

asciilifeform: why send thief, when you have key logs, audio, whatever.

asciilifeform: they didn't need to.