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phf: haha, that's pretty cool, reminds me of transformers my parents brought me from amsterdam in the early 90s
phf: you want to be ready for when "i don't have a smartphone" thing is in full swing in portland. you can be a full blown hipster avantguard
ben_vulpes: anyways cblgh logs are in channel title, if you're going to not wash out at least register a gpg key with deedbot
phf: unlike the nokia though this t139 sound quality doesn't suck, so i retract my previous statements!
a111: Logged on 2015-07-28 03:18 phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
phf: amusingly though http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-28#1214723 ☝︎
phf: i recently threw out a perfectly working dual-sim nokia something or other, because i thought i lost the battery, but just yesterday i discovered that i had whole two batteries stored elsewhere.
ben_vulpes: i have developed an allergy to bending myself to fit my tools over the last four years; ios is one of the last bits of sand in me gears
phf: "a face book? i do not poses a face book, i have many regular books though!"
ben_vulpes: pretty tragic that one even has the basis to ask 'how bad is the t9', given how well it worked two decades ago.
phf: ben_vulpes: t9's not bad, it has an auto-updating dictionary which i only use for names, because it also amuses me to write like i'm from a different planet.
ben_vulpes: you're happier hammering each numpad up to three times for a single letter? ☟︎
asciilifeform: fuck t9.
asciilifeform: i'd buy a pnoje that supports... morse input
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hey, t9 implementations suck now too. no auto-updating dictionary, statistic-based wordguessing...
asciilifeform: astonishing how such elementary feature is unknown today. i.e. 'NO ring unless one of numbers N1, N2, ... Ni'
asciilifeform: speaking of this, anybody know of a 'dumb' pnoje that has whitelists ?
ben_vulpes: how's the t9?
phf: jesus what the fuck is this
ben_vulpes: phf: rocking the 'mp01' or what
ben_vulpes: probably tastes great with a dash of "selectively run js load from google.com, facebook.com after everything else because trackers are js dogs"
ben_vulpes: let's just continue with the apple idiocy: "try the new safari! fast, energy efficient, and with a beautiful new design."
asciilifeform: forget the street maps, speaking of raw photo
asciilifeform: ( and the oblig. terrain-tracking icbm... )
phf: because their maps are certainly shit for any kind of navigation that's not by road.
phf: would make for a lovely torrent dump
phf: one thing i wrote that i was really happy with is a very simple gps coordinates to atlas grid mapper. the thing would basically draw a rectangle with atlas grid number, like p34 A7 and inside the rectangle it'll draw a large red dot which roughly indicates where in the quadrant you are. i was using it extensively on a trip through alaska, because the toy catches gps readily, but naturally can't catch internet connection. so it was a kind of navigation
asciilifeform: phf: i've always wondered if it is possible to make a 'programming toy' proggy for touchpnojes that actually makes productive use of the fingers , rather than torturing user with simulated kbd
asciilifeform: aa sorta how asciilifeform sometimes travels with a hp48
phf: both times i wrote anything on pythonista was when i was traveling without a computer, and i do it semi-recreationally. with automatic indentation and completion it's not particularly painful, if the goal is to get some interesting computations going, rather then you know "programming environment". it's more of a turtle kind of exercise
phf: pythonista has been around for a while. it's literally the only useful application for the iphone
asciilifeform: yea i missed this
ben_vulpes: i guess this is new as of the lifted ban on interpreters and compilers?
ben_vulpes: phf: oh that's nifty
phf: ben_vulpes: before i finally gave up my ios, i was using pythonista for almost everything, including totp. there's some python totp implementation that i lifted from somewhere, that can be easily ported. i gave up writing a barcode recognizer, though it's not a particularly daunting task with numpy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why wouldja give all of the monkeys one shared key?!
asciilifeform: who the fuck 'backs up' per-luser pw.
asciilifeform: why would the admin want to back it up ? if luser luses his pnoje, he goes to beg and be issued new code, neh
ben_vulpes: or 'IT will want to know how to upgrade users devices without revoking every key and leaving accounts 'unsecured' during the TOTP rotation"
ben_vulpes: im astonished this idiocy made it past the enterprise sales people; 'IT will want to know how to back these codes up'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: naturally they'd rather lusers not have 'lift the seekrit out of the pnoje' button, or they'll push it and write on postitnote
ben_vulpes: here i was, thinking that a redhat product would have features like 'backup'
asciilifeform: only ever encountered google's variant of this idiocy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yr defectively steeped in security theater
asciilifeform: i had nfi this existed
ben_vulpes: in other top notch lolz, the redhat "totp" ios "app" does not provide for backing up the shared seeds.
ben_vulpes: the real fun is in asking "what word do you want me to use instead?" and then using it in such a way that all the partizans wince, knowing that word means The Bad Thing now.
asciilifeform: '...Accepting or rejecting this phenomenon marks a fundamental divide between those who believe that words create reality, versus those who believe that objective reality exists and operates independently of how we happen to speak and think about it.'
asciilifeform: '...this linguistic battle is inherently non-winnable, as can be seen from how every term that was originally meant to be non-offensive, such as “moron”, “retarded” and “imbecile”, always became a schoolyard insult in short order. ... This is inevitable because the underlying reality that these words refer to is horrifying, and everyone can see how bad it would be to get hit on the head ...'
asciilifeform: ( there is not, notably, any possibility of a pill that dun force cpointerism ; as gnatv is at birth a cpointeristic turd )
asciilifeform: aaand if anyone can think of a less revoltingly-tasting pill, plz to also write in.
asciilifeform: if anyone knows otherwise, plox to write in.
asciilifeform: it relies , as is obvious , on the guts of gnat's main() initializer, that sets the turds . but in so far as i can tell , it is the same in all known gnats
asciilifeform: ^ used in place of , rather than in addition to, Ada.Command_Line
asciilifeform: aaaaand here: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tPv4l/?raw=true << is the tentative pill.
ben_vulpes: "humans can't be defective!" "well what do you call it when they're missing a chromosome, eh?"
ben_vulpes: it's wildly entertaining watching people thrash in their own contradictions
ben_vulpes: not even use, but locked up trying to find
ben_vulpes: a few short seconds later the same person practically pulled a 'halt and catch fire' when attempting to use a word that doesn't mean broken to describe f. ex. chromosomal abnormalities
ben_vulpes: just my dinner table
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: dare i ask at what sort of table
asciilifeform: what was author thinking...
asciilifeform: it's like encountering a toilet with a reverse gear, is what this is.
asciilifeform: and hats off to the 1st reader here who immediately thought, reading the ads earlier, 'wtf does it mean and who ever heard of ~removing~ arguments from cmdline ?!'
asciilifeform: ( the 2ndarystack is used to keep around the lengths of this variable-length turd that got thrown on the primary. )
asciilifeform: if you return a String, that's 2ndarystacktronic . no escape.
asciilifeform: this is the , in mircea_popescuine parlance, 'hole where the night came in'
asciilifeform: i'ma paste , for the hall of fame:
asciilifeform: here's the trisomy artifact itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PlehJ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: at any rate i dun presume to distinguish.
asciilifeform: and new orders from moscow, were to think of it, lol
mircea_popescu: or perhaps people just don't think of things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're missing the point. perhaps the reason YOU didn't think about it before is that YOU are malicious ?
asciilifeform: here's the original, appreciate the horror : https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/a-comlin__adb.htm + https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/a-comlin__ads.htm
ben_vulpes: i had to laugh last night; someone at the table wanted to stake out the position that "people with downs syndrome aren't defective. you can't have defective humans!" ☟︎
asciilifeform: it sits on the edge between outright wrecking and simple down's syndrome
asciilifeform: well i have nfi , but it entirely needlessly drags along the secondarystack thing
asciilifeform: dunno why i didn't think of it earlier
asciilifeform: just as easily it is possible to give it a 'here's an empty string of length L to take a shit into, for each cmdline param, and if the actual exceeds it, trigger constrainterror'
asciilifeform: and thereby force the use of secondary stack
asciilifeform: and in the process discovered that the original was ~maliciously~ stupid, there is NO reason why it HAD to return an unknown-length string value
phf: that is to say, that mp machine can really be anything, and it'll be used directly, rest of us will spend next year fucking around with dlls
phf: eh it's all irrelevant to substance anyway, since bulk of computer activity amongst programmers is, to badly quote logs from memory, getting everything ready to meet girls by doing some misplacing activity somewhere where girls will never be
mircea_popescu: bash is turing complete, you know this right ?
phf: i think a proper cuntoo doesn't even need x11, bash scripts, lynx and framebuffer to render images if need be
phf: mp is quite dangerous with them bash scripts
BingoBoingo: In a bit under an hour, I visit la ciudad vieja for the first time and there spanish test
BingoBoingo: Outside of tourist and mega business areas the trend seems to polished interiors while letting exeteriors do as they do.
BingoBoingo: On la avenida, such a building would have been kept its bones and been given a new facade because gotta sell vacation homes. 2 blocks away? What tourist would go there?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, there's a few of them scattered around my Barrio, but few and usually at least dos quadras off la avenida 26 de de Marzo
mircea_popescu: and in other vocational training, http://78.media.tumblr.com/563edda993665378ae74ec037dd28b6f/tumblr_nkd0rtUuuS1u06pkwo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: the surviving hruschebas asciilifeform saw in bucharest, however, looked quite like this
asciilifeform: eh those ac units look as chronologically '80s as ipad.
asciilifeform: c is simply a terrifyingly retarded lang in which to write ~anything~ compactly, even ccompiler.
asciilifeform: incidentally bellard's tcc is not in any simple way trimmable, no autoconf garbage or the like, in there.
asciilifeform: and of comparable size to... minix
mircea_popescu: or to say diff
asciilifeform: quite heavy compared to even, say, trb.
asciilifeform: only 'small' compared to gcc monster.
asciilifeform looked again at last-known tcc. it is not , after all, so small : ~54kLoc ; ~1.7MB !!! of sores.